▲ 514 ▼ 'Hell on wheels': Teen convicted of crashing car at 100 mph, killing boyfriend and friend (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 3 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 175 comments fedilink hide all child comments “This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla's verdict Monday afternoon.
[–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 28 points 3 years ago (4 children) Wow the way she's crying is disgusting, she's just sorry for herself not for the deaths she caused. No remorse, only regret for getting sentenced permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 46 points 3 years ago (3 children) Wow the way she’s crying is disgusting, she’s just sorry for herself not for the deaths she caused. No remorse, only regret for getting sentenced How do you know that? I don’t know about you but I’ve done things in anger that I felt genuine remorse for later. Never killed anyone though, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Because of her intent and crimes- she had genuine murderous intent as the judgement said. She seemed very cruel and unhinged according to the article and presented evidence and the video showed her crying due to the judgement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago* (2 children) It’s been two years since she murdered those people. She could easily feel true remorse now. I’m in no way trying to excuse her actions, I just think it’s worth trying to do some level of empathizing for people. Not that what she did was in any way justified, but I can’t imagine trying to live with myself if I got angry enough to murder someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It's all speculation and assumptions anyway ! We can see different things. I feel disgust and see regret and you may see someone possibly showing remorse. We just don't know for sure either way. Have a good day fellow fediperson permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago Have a good day fellow fediperson You as well! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Crying when the sentence was read doesn't say anything one way or the other about her feeling or not remorse because that specific moment is about what's going to happen to her, not about others, so she's crying for herself. She almost certainly feels regret (which is entirelly about the consequences for herself), but it's unclear that she feels remorse (which is about the consequences for others of her actions). permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Those look like Rittenhouse tears to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean legitimate tears from someone who had trauma from successfully defending himself against attackers? Did you watch any of the trial? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Boo hoo I murdered two people boo hoo. Can I get medal now? Boo hoo boo hoo. There, that is what I think of your bestie. Go Rittenhouse about it to your family and "friends". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Have a look: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12417047/Mackenzie-Shirilla-TikTok-doing-drugs-not-dying-jailed-murdering-boyfriend-friend-drugged-100mph-crash.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s been two years since she made that video, regardless of whether it was made before or after the crash. I’m not trying to say that she is remorseful, only that we cannot say that she isn’t based solely on her actions two years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Looks like a narcissist to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Sure seems like she had a lot of issues at 17, that’s for sure. Most 17-year-olds don’t murder their friends and boyfriends. I find her family’s attitude toward the whole thing troubling. I know my family, if I were in this situation and they had the same evidence, would be telling me to plead guilty and take responsibility. I have a feeling that concept was never big in her upbringing or her family’s. It’s tragic all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it's tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it's tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else. I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.” Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong. Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy. It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones. But empathy is important even for those we may hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent [–] rab@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 years ago If I was going to prison I would cry permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago It's something that people often forget (because they aren't like that themselves and have normal human reactions) is that narcisists, sociopaths, psychopaths and people with similar psychological disfunctions that make them act in "cold hearted" ways do feel. However they feel only for themselves, never for others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) This is a bit unfair, though I didn't watch the trial in full. We have no idea if she cried for the other lives or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago It's unfair of me, but it is my perception and my opinion which is only based in observation yup. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 46 points 3 years ago (3 children) Wow the way she’s crying is disgusting, she’s just sorry for herself not for the deaths she caused. No remorse, only regret for getting sentenced How do you know that? I don’t know about you but I’ve done things in anger that I felt genuine remorse for later. Never killed anyone though, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Because of her intent and crimes- she had genuine murderous intent as the judgement said. She seemed very cruel and unhinged according to the article and presented evidence and the video showed her crying due to the judgement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago* (2 children) It’s been two years since she murdered those people. She could easily feel true remorse now. I’m in no way trying to excuse her actions, I just think it’s worth trying to do some level of empathizing for people. Not that what she did was in any way justified, but I can’t imagine trying to live with myself if I got angry enough to murder someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It's all speculation and assumptions anyway ! We can see different things. I feel disgust and see regret and you may see someone possibly showing remorse. We just don't know for sure either way. Have a good day fellow fediperson permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago Have a good day fellow fediperson You as well! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Crying when the sentence was read doesn't say anything one way or the other about her feeling or not remorse because that specific moment is about what's going to happen to her, not about others, so she's crying for herself. She almost certainly feels regret (which is entirelly about the consequences for herself), but it's unclear that she feels remorse (which is about the consequences for others of her actions). permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Those look like Rittenhouse tears to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean legitimate tears from someone who had trauma from successfully defending himself against attackers? Did you watch any of the trial? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Boo hoo I murdered two people boo hoo. Can I get medal now? Boo hoo boo hoo. There, that is what I think of your bestie. Go Rittenhouse about it to your family and "friends". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Have a look: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12417047/Mackenzie-Shirilla-TikTok-doing-drugs-not-dying-jailed-murdering-boyfriend-friend-drugged-100mph-crash.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s been two years since she made that video, regardless of whether it was made before or after the crash. I’m not trying to say that she is remorseful, only that we cannot say that she isn’t based solely on her actions two years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Looks like a narcissist to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Sure seems like she had a lot of issues at 17, that’s for sure. Most 17-year-olds don’t murder their friends and boyfriends. I find her family’s attitude toward the whole thing troubling. I know my family, if I were in this situation and they had the same evidence, would be telling me to plead guilty and take responsibility. I have a feeling that concept was never big in her upbringing or her family’s. It’s tragic all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it's tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it's tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else. I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.” Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong. Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy. It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones. But empathy is important even for those we may hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Because of her intent and crimes- she had genuine murderous intent as the judgement said. She seemed very cruel and unhinged according to the article and presented evidence and the video showed her crying due to the judgement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago* (2 children) It’s been two years since she murdered those people. She could easily feel true remorse now. I’m in no way trying to excuse her actions, I just think it’s worth trying to do some level of empathizing for people. Not that what she did was in any way justified, but I can’t imagine trying to live with myself if I got angry enough to murder someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It's all speculation and assumptions anyway ! We can see different things. I feel disgust and see regret and you may see someone possibly showing remorse. We just don't know for sure either way. Have a good day fellow fediperson permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago Have a good day fellow fediperson You as well! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Crying when the sentence was read doesn't say anything one way or the other about her feeling or not remorse because that specific moment is about what's going to happen to her, not about others, so she's crying for herself. She almost certainly feels regret (which is entirelly about the consequences for herself), but it's unclear that she feels remorse (which is about the consequences for others of her actions). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago* (2 children) It’s been two years since she murdered those people. She could easily feel true remorse now. I’m in no way trying to excuse her actions, I just think it’s worth trying to do some level of empathizing for people. Not that what she did was in any way justified, but I can’t imagine trying to live with myself if I got angry enough to murder someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It's all speculation and assumptions anyway ! We can see different things. I feel disgust and see regret and you may see someone possibly showing remorse. We just don't know for sure either way. Have a good day fellow fediperson permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago Have a good day fellow fediperson You as well! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Crying when the sentence was read doesn't say anything one way or the other about her feeling or not remorse because that specific moment is about what's going to happen to her, not about others, so she's crying for herself. She almost certainly feels regret (which is entirelly about the consequences for herself), but it's unclear that she feels remorse (which is about the consequences for others of her actions). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It's all speculation and assumptions anyway ! We can see different things. I feel disgust and see regret and you may see someone possibly showing remorse. We just don't know for sure either way. Have a good day fellow fediperson permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago Have a good day fellow fediperson You as well! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago Have a good day fellow fediperson You as well! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Crying when the sentence was read doesn't say anything one way or the other about her feeling or not remorse because that specific moment is about what's going to happen to her, not about others, so she's crying for herself. She almost certainly feels regret (which is entirelly about the consequences for herself), but it's unclear that she feels remorse (which is about the consequences for others of her actions). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Those look like Rittenhouse tears to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean legitimate tears from someone who had trauma from successfully defending himself against attackers? Did you watch any of the trial? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Boo hoo I murdered two people boo hoo. Can I get medal now? Boo hoo boo hoo. There, that is what I think of your bestie. Go Rittenhouse about it to your family and "friends". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean legitimate tears from someone who had trauma from successfully defending himself against attackers? Did you watch any of the trial? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Boo hoo I murdered two people boo hoo. Can I get medal now? Boo hoo boo hoo. There, that is what I think of your bestie. Go Rittenhouse about it to your family and "friends". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Boo hoo I murdered two people boo hoo. Can I get medal now? Boo hoo boo hoo. There, that is what I think of your bestie. Go Rittenhouse about it to your family and "friends". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Have a look: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12417047/Mackenzie-Shirilla-TikTok-doing-drugs-not-dying-jailed-murdering-boyfriend-friend-drugged-100mph-crash.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s been two years since she made that video, regardless of whether it was made before or after the crash. I’m not trying to say that she is remorseful, only that we cannot say that she isn’t based solely on her actions two years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Looks like a narcissist to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Sure seems like she had a lot of issues at 17, that’s for sure. Most 17-year-olds don’t murder their friends and boyfriends. I find her family’s attitude toward the whole thing troubling. I know my family, if I were in this situation and they had the same evidence, would be telling me to plead guilty and take responsibility. I have a feeling that concept was never big in her upbringing or her family’s. It’s tragic all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it's tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it's tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else. I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.” Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong. Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy. It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones. But empathy is important even for those we may hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s been two years since she made that video, regardless of whether it was made before or after the crash. I’m not trying to say that she is remorseful, only that we cannot say that she isn’t based solely on her actions two years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Looks like a narcissist to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Sure seems like she had a lot of issues at 17, that’s for sure. Most 17-year-olds don’t murder their friends and boyfriends. I find her family’s attitude toward the whole thing troubling. I know my family, if I were in this situation and they had the same evidence, would be telling me to plead guilty and take responsibility. I have a feeling that concept was never big in her upbringing or her family’s. It’s tragic all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it's tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it's tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else. I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.” Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong. Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy. It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones. But empathy is important even for those we may hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Looks like a narcissist to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Sure seems like she had a lot of issues at 17, that’s for sure. Most 17-year-olds don’t murder their friends and boyfriends. I find her family’s attitude toward the whole thing troubling. I know my family, if I were in this situation and they had the same evidence, would be telling me to plead guilty and take responsibility. I have a feeling that concept was never big in her upbringing or her family’s. It’s tragic all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it's tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it's tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else. I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.” Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong. Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy. It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones. But empathy is important even for those we may hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Sure seems like she had a lot of issues at 17, that’s for sure. Most 17-year-olds don’t murder their friends and boyfriends. I find her family’s attitude toward the whole thing troubling. I know my family, if I were in this situation and they had the same evidence, would be telling me to plead guilty and take responsibility. I have a feeling that concept was never big in her upbringing or her family’s. It’s tragic all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it's tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it's tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else. I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.” Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong. Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy. It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones. But empathy is important even for those we may hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it's tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it's tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else. I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.” Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong. Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy. It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones. But empathy is important even for those we may hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence. I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else. I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.” Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong. Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy. It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones. But empathy is important even for those we may hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 years ago Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this. I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset. I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rab@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 years ago If I was going to prison I would cry permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago It's something that people often forget (because they aren't like that themselves and have normal human reactions) is that narcisists, sociopaths, psychopaths and people with similar psychological disfunctions that make them act in "cold hearted" ways do feel. However they feel only for themselves, never for others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) This is a bit unfair, though I didn't watch the trial in full. We have no idea if she cried for the other lives or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago It's unfair of me, but it is my perception and my opinion which is only based in observation yup. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saturdaycat@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago It's unfair of me, but it is my perception and my opinion which is only based in observation yup. permalink fedilink source parent