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[+] -50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Most healthcare systems in the US are non-profits. To run a non-profit, you still need revenue to operate no matter where you are or what you do. They have to pay their own bills just like anyone else.

Bring on the downvotes. Then go ahead and take all of your local hospital’s funding and see what happens.

Edit: maybe people misunderstood my point? People are replying and saying that profit shouldn’t be part of healthcare. Yes, but that doesn’t solve the problem of funding. Every hospital gets money. Pick your favorite country, the hospital still gets money.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Non-profits need revenue, true. But many non-profit hospitals are not acting like nonprofits. Here's a NYT opinion piece about it

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah that's not what it's about at all. Hospitals need funding. Hospitals do not need a profit motive. Remove the profit motive and socialize the costs of healthcare. Just like every civilized country does it.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    You say I’m wrong and then you go on to reiterate my exact point about money. Hospitals require funding and they are funded in every developed nation. Nonprofits do not have a profit motive. They argue with your insurance company for more money, just like every other developed nation, regardless of whether it is directly single payer or a system like Germany or Japan, which largely rely on private companies.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    you're arguing for profit to remain a focus within the healthcare industry. That's anti-people, and why everyone is downvoting you. Everyone knows a hospital requires funding, we just want our tax dollars to pay it.

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  • [+] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Did you have an actual response to the fact that hospitals need funding?

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  • [+] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It’s wrong that hospitals need money to operate? Bud, I got a master’s in this… which hospital are you aware of that doesn’t pay for electricity or pay its providers with money? Talk about patently ridiculous.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just have the state pay for it?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Apologies in advance, my app doesn’t seem to want to show me what context this is in, so I might be off base in my reply, but yeah, that’s a good solution. The problem is that in the USA, if you raise taxes by .0001% people throw temper tantrums. They’d rather pay out the ass for private insurance. I know people on Lemmy don’t feel that way, but that’s how Americans are.

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  • [+] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Healthcare administration. Why did you dodge my question? Where do hospitals not pay for their electricity or pay their workers money?

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  • [+] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Wow that’s a lot of words to say you can’t think of how to run a hospital without paying people.

    And I agree, the fact that you need a master’s to understand how a healthcare organization runs is absurd, but that’s the state of things in the USA (to be clear, the MHA is my secondary master’s, but it’s the field I ended up in). However, my existence doesn’t depend on anything. If we were nationalized, I’d still have my job, just like the janitors or the administrators everywhere else in the world. You can’t just run a medical practice with a doctor and no other staff. I’m sure you’re creative enough to think through this and understand that maintaining a building, checking people in, running computer systems, etc. requires more than just a doctor.

    To add to this, I could make more money doing a very similar job at a random company. Take Kellogg’s as an example. But I don’t, because I like working with patients and providers. But keep on assuming I’m an asshole because I work in healthcare and I’m not a clinical staff.

    Now, back to my original point, which I’m really fascinated to hear the answer to. Since you seem to argue that I can’t pay my docs, janitors, nurses, or utility bills, how do I keep things open? Even a nationalized system pays salaries. A healthcare system needs money, unless you’re in a society that doesn’t rely on money.

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  • [+] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I apologize, I think you’re too smart for me. May I ask you to dumb down your point for someone who has such a low IQ that they got stuck working at a hospital? I jest in how I say that, but I legitimately do not get what you’re so angry at me for.

    You’re free to block me, although I’m not clear why you’re so mad that I criticized the US healthcare system when you also seem to be angry at the same system.

    Maybe this is all my fault for wording my original post poorly, sorry.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    It's not your fault at all, I am also confused what exactly caused them to adopt such a hostile tone.

    I have noticed that many Lemmings have a strong preference for explanations which emphasize the dysfunction of capitalism as the ultimate source of all worldly suffering. Your suggestion that even in the absence of capitalist incentives, running a modern healthcare system is still an incredibly expensive endeavor that must be funded somehow, disrupts that worldview. Thus, the hostility.

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