▲ 763 ▼ Tennessee GOP votes to keep Confederate flags in classrooms but ban pride flags (www.dailykos.com) submitted 2 years ago by Wilshire@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 99 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Why does there need to be any flags in the classrooms to begin with? Even putting up the flag of the country seems a little odd to me. Use a flagpole. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The effect would be felt by both LGBTQIA+ clubs and GSA's in the schools, at a bare minimum. They would be unable to utilize the pride flag, for example, in any kind of advertisement, logo, banner, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) I don't think school is the place for ads either.. I'm not saying it should be banned from posters about events or such but having a confederate or pride flag in the classroom just for the sake of it feels really weird to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the past, rainbow flags were used as a sign to students that you as a teacher were available for anyone to come talk if they needed support, and that your classroom was a safe space. This was especially important for some of the most stigmatized and marginalized groups in the US. So there is a bit of history behind it. This may only be anecdotal, and I can't quote statistics on how effective or important pride flags are to that type of support now, but a close friend of mine who came out in high school first came out to a trusted teacher. They ONLY did this because the pride flag to them meant someone who might understand. It was a year or so later when this person came out to our friend group, and only because of the guidance of that individual who help them through some serious shit, and got them the support infrastructure they needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago That is actually a valid point. I didn't really think about it from that perspective. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago There is literally nothing wrong with the pride flag (or progress flag). There IS a problem with the confederate flag. I would much rather my son or daughter learn to be accepting of their neighbors regardless of their sexuality, than to learn whatever kind of bullshit a pro-slavery person has to tell them about their "history". permalink fedilink source parent [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So, if there is a school club they can't let people in the school know about it with posters, even though that's the only people they are trying to attract? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) C'moon now.. Surely you can read the whole message before replying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think posters about events are if not ads? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I guess they count as ads aswell. I just don't get why deem necessary to ask me about event postest when it's the exact exception I already addressed in the message you're replying to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dude, I mean high school clubs advertising to other high school students, like this one: https://www.coolidgeshs.org/ourpages/auto/2023/5/3/45488112/image%20_2_.jpg permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the exact thing I used in my message as an example of what I didn't mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, but that's what the language of the bill is intended to silence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago To remind those people of their place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The effect would be felt by both LGBTQIA+ clubs and GSA's in the schools, at a bare minimum. They would be unable to utilize the pride flag, for example, in any kind of advertisement, logo, banner, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) I don't think school is the place for ads either.. I'm not saying it should be banned from posters about events or such but having a confederate or pride flag in the classroom just for the sake of it feels really weird to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the past, rainbow flags were used as a sign to students that you as a teacher were available for anyone to come talk if they needed support, and that your classroom was a safe space. This was especially important for some of the most stigmatized and marginalized groups in the US. So there is a bit of history behind it. This may only be anecdotal, and I can't quote statistics on how effective or important pride flags are to that type of support now, but a close friend of mine who came out in high school first came out to a trusted teacher. They ONLY did this because the pride flag to them meant someone who might understand. It was a year or so later when this person came out to our friend group, and only because of the guidance of that individual who help them through some serious shit, and got them the support infrastructure they needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago That is actually a valid point. I didn't really think about it from that perspective. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago There is literally nothing wrong with the pride flag (or progress flag). There IS a problem with the confederate flag. I would much rather my son or daughter learn to be accepting of their neighbors regardless of their sexuality, than to learn whatever kind of bullshit a pro-slavery person has to tell them about their "history". permalink fedilink source parent [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So, if there is a school club they can't let people in the school know about it with posters, even though that's the only people they are trying to attract? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) C'moon now.. Surely you can read the whole message before replying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think posters about events are if not ads? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I guess they count as ads aswell. I just don't get why deem necessary to ask me about event postest when it's the exact exception I already addressed in the message you're replying to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dude, I mean high school clubs advertising to other high school students, like this one: https://www.coolidgeshs.org/ourpages/auto/2023/5/3/45488112/image%20_2_.jpg permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the exact thing I used in my message as an example of what I didn't mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, but that's what the language of the bill is intended to silence. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) I don't think school is the place for ads either.. I'm not saying it should be banned from posters about events or such but having a confederate or pride flag in the classroom just for the sake of it feels really weird to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the past, rainbow flags were used as a sign to students that you as a teacher were available for anyone to come talk if they needed support, and that your classroom was a safe space. This was especially important for some of the most stigmatized and marginalized groups in the US. So there is a bit of history behind it. This may only be anecdotal, and I can't quote statistics on how effective or important pride flags are to that type of support now, but a close friend of mine who came out in high school first came out to a trusted teacher. They ONLY did this because the pride flag to them meant someone who might understand. It was a year or so later when this person came out to our friend group, and only because of the guidance of that individual who help them through some serious shit, and got them the support infrastructure they needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago That is actually a valid point. I didn't really think about it from that perspective. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago There is literally nothing wrong with the pride flag (or progress flag). There IS a problem with the confederate flag. I would much rather my son or daughter learn to be accepting of their neighbors regardless of their sexuality, than to learn whatever kind of bullshit a pro-slavery person has to tell them about their "history". permalink fedilink source parent [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So, if there is a school club they can't let people in the school know about it with posters, even though that's the only people they are trying to attract? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) C'moon now.. Surely you can read the whole message before replying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think posters about events are if not ads? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I guess they count as ads aswell. I just don't get why deem necessary to ask me about event postest when it's the exact exception I already addressed in the message you're replying to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dude, I mean high school clubs advertising to other high school students, like this one: https://www.coolidgeshs.org/ourpages/auto/2023/5/3/45488112/image%20_2_.jpg permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the exact thing I used in my message as an example of what I didn't mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, but that's what the language of the bill is intended to silence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the past, rainbow flags were used as a sign to students that you as a teacher were available for anyone to come talk if they needed support, and that your classroom was a safe space. This was especially important for some of the most stigmatized and marginalized groups in the US. So there is a bit of history behind it. This may only be anecdotal, and I can't quote statistics on how effective or important pride flags are to that type of support now, but a close friend of mine who came out in high school first came out to a trusted teacher. They ONLY did this because the pride flag to them meant someone who might understand. It was a year or so later when this person came out to our friend group, and only because of the guidance of that individual who help them through some serious shit, and got them the support infrastructure they needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago That is actually a valid point. I didn't really think about it from that perspective. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago That is actually a valid point. I didn't really think about it from that perspective. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago There is literally nothing wrong with the pride flag (or progress flag). There IS a problem with the confederate flag. I would much rather my son or daughter learn to be accepting of their neighbors regardless of their sexuality, than to learn whatever kind of bullshit a pro-slavery person has to tell them about their "history". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) So, if there is a school club they can't let people in the school know about it with posters, even though that's the only people they are trying to attract? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) C'moon now.. Surely you can read the whole message before replying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think posters about events are if not ads? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I guess they count as ads aswell. I just don't get why deem necessary to ask me about event postest when it's the exact exception I already addressed in the message you're replying to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) C'moon now.. Surely you can read the whole message before replying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think posters about events are if not ads? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I guess they count as ads aswell. I just don't get why deem necessary to ask me about event postest when it's the exact exception I already addressed in the message you're replying to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think posters about events are if not ads? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I guess they count as ads aswell. I just don't get why deem necessary to ask me about event postest when it's the exact exception I already addressed in the message you're replying to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I guess they count as ads aswell. I just don't get why deem necessary to ask me about event postest when it's the exact exception I already addressed in the message you're replying to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dude, I mean high school clubs advertising to other high school students, like this one: https://www.coolidgeshs.org/ourpages/auto/2023/5/3/45488112/image%20_2_.jpg permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the exact thing I used in my message as an example of what I didn't mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, but that's what the language of the bill is intended to silence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So the exact thing I used in my message as an example of what I didn't mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, but that's what the language of the bill is intended to silence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StevenSaus@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, but that's what the language of the bill is intended to silence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago To remind those people of their place. permalink fedilink source parent