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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 3 years ago (1 child)

In america maybe. In lots of other countries every adult has an ID

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[–] DJVIIIMan@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago (2 children)

In the US, you need an ID if you want an actual job or bank account. Apart from living on the streets or living in the woods, I'm not sure how you could function without one.

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[–] FringeTheory999@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

you only need it if you’re buying alcohol or driving a car. your work gets your social but isnt entitled to your ID, which you don’t have to have or carry if you do have it. You can’t even get a bank account without a contract cellphone, so people without ID use prepaid credit cards you buy at the store and load with cash.

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[–] BroccoliFarts@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Walmart used to have a ton of options for working class people that didn't have banking options. Not sure if it's still the case. Many US workers were full-time employed and housed and did not have a bank account. Check cashing was through Walmart.

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[–] FringeTheory999@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

Wallmart won’t cash my checks, they also won’t tell me why they won’t cash my checks. I’ve never had any issues with them, so it’s a mystery. Not that I need that anymore but it’s not a system anyone should have to rely on.

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[–] b1g_bake@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

How do you fill out an I-9 for employment without any ID?

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[–] FringeTheory999@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago

With a pen, usually.

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[–] greavous@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Land of the free... so long as you have ID

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[–] DJVIIIMan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

Well, it's not like you can actually take someone's word on who they actually are. People lie.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 31 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Looooooooots of people don’t have ID.

In the civilized world, this is pretty endemic to your country and is actually a problem there as I understand.

Personally, where I live, I couldn't even vote or reliably buy alcohol if I didn't have some form of ID to prove my identity or age (okay, I haven't been carded in years, but it COULD happen). This is OK because everyone is mandated to have ID anyway (and it's not in any way difficult to get one), so requiring ID for voting, for an example, doesn't discriminate against poor people like in the US.

That said, X still wouldn't get my ID. I haven't even given it to Google, despite them asking me for it so I could watch music videos with a lil bit of swearing or something (Funny thing being, my YouTube account is about old enough that in a year or 2 it can go buy beer here in the EU)

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[–] FringeTheory999@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

ID is expensive and many poor folk don’t have them, so the “problem” is politically powerful groups implementing ID laws to prevent poor folk from voting. If I didn’t have to have a license, I’d never carry an ID.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Why would an ID be expensive?

In Belgium it costs about 20€ to get one when you first turn 12. And 20€ if you ever lose it.

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[–] BroccoliFarts@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

When people in the US talk about a classist system, it's more of the structure than the cost. There are state IDs that are inexpensive in most states, but the Motor Vehicles branch (or whatever the state calls their department) that issues the ID are frequently difficult to travel to in lower income areas. Occasionally, the branches are understaffed and information about what can be used as proof of ID isn't communicated clearly. Combine this with the US's poor labor laws, and it means that it's risky for someone to take off work, spend significant time getting to a DMV branch, waiting in line a long time because of understaffing, then be told they need more proof of ID and to do it all over again.

It's frustrating for me and I have a driver's license and a white-collar job so I can drive myself to the DMV easily and not worry about losing my job or losing a half-day's pay.

It's still kind of messy also because proof of birth by birth certificate wasn't required until relatively recently. My grandad was never issued a birth certificate. As far as the government is concerned, he didn't exist until he joined the army. We all have to take his word on when he was born and his name. He told it to the army and had no legal proof before then. So my state establishes identification without using birth certificates, which takes more paperwork and complications.

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[–] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago

Additionally, they're pretty much only open during working hours, and they're set up to often be an hour+ wait because why staff more than 2 people? It's a monopoly on a service.

So the ID may only cost $20 but the travel + missed work adds up fast

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[–] FringeTheory999@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

sometimes I suspect that the DMVs job is to tell people to fuck off until they give up and stop trying. It’s a pretty effective form of voter suppression. You hit the nail on the head, I dont think I could have explained it better. Everything you said is particularly true in southern states where it disproportionately affects black people, they have the poorest infrastructure, no viable public transport, laws forbidding mail in voting and very limited polling places with that are open for very truncated operating hours.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago

They want two things to happen: ID to be expensive and Voter ID to be mandatory. Nobody wants the poors to vote, especially because statistically people of colour are more likely to be poor.

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[–] DJVIIIMan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago

Do you not have a job or bank account?

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Driver's licences don't count?

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[–] jossbo@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago

They said they don't drive

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[–] DJVIIIMan@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

Oh, a DL absolutely counts.

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[–] M4775@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

If all the ignorant masses don't wake up to this WEF fuckery and it becomes "normalized" to need this for everything, then you'll need it to receive your basic universal payment in centralized digital currency. You'll also need it to incorporate your global "green score" which is like a type of social credit. Once cash is gone and decentralized crypto is illegal to own, most people will comply so they don't starve. A 100% identifiable human 100% tracked and controlled. Fail to comply to something and your identity gets switched off. Nothing works for you now. This is not fiction. Just pay attention to the agenda of WEF. And if you think this can't or won't happen then please explain how the fuck Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn still exist? Every person who is faced with this request for government issued ID for anything that isn't government should refuse and leave. Trusting these incompetent and abusive corporations with even more private information is illogical. They can't keep anything safe now. Giving them more won't "save you from the hackers". That is a disingenuous deception to double down on control. They care nothing for your privacy, safety or well being. "We had a data breach and your personal information has been compromised. It includes your name, email, phone number, address and government issued ID with face scan. Oops, sorry".
Everyone needs to say "NO" to this now!

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[–] SON_OF_SUNS@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago

Great copypasta, thanks

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[–] S_204@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Asimov would be proud of the world you've built in your mind here LoL.

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[–] M4775@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Unlike the writing of Asimov, this is not a work of fiction. Do some digging for yourself and you'll see that World Economic Forum has plans for you and I. Many have indeed been introduced. Many governments are following the agenda and have been for decades. Your answer is why I'm pessimistic and know we're fucked. Klaus Schwab wants to be your feudal overlord. He knows what's best for you. It sounds like you're ready to trust him.

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[–] S_204@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

I've dug deep, and what I've found just reinforces that positions like the one you've put forward are completely fabricated and only really accepted by uneducated, ignorant, socially displaced losers who want to feel like they know something everyone else doesn't.

Tldr; you gotta be a special sort of retarded to believe any of the bullshit you're claiming to be true.