▲ 1023 ▼ ‘It will be the end of democracy’: Bernie Sanders on what happens if Trump wins – and how to stop him (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 322 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes, that's correct. Slower slide means more of a chance to fix it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fix it how? Like what's the plan? Is there a plan? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Democracy cannot be permanently "fixed", it can only be preserved via endless education and participation. Literally the only way to "fix" democracy is to participate in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) OK? How does that happen? Is there a Dem plan to drive democratic engagement, because they obviously haven't done a good job of it yet. It seems like fear of Repubs is the main selling point to voting Dem, and it isn't exactly a thrilling strategy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) More people voted for Biden in the 2020 election than any other candidate in American history by a pretty significant margin, voter turnout in both midterms and general elections are at their highest points in 100 years, obviously something is working permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago You have to know that a lot of those votes were "against Trump" more than they were "for Biden" right? Heartening to see such resistance to what Trump represents, to be sure, but it's laughable to say that Biden earned those votes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How does that happen? It happens when I go canvas and vote, not complain about it on the internet like you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Sounds like you've got it covered then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No there is a lesser chance. The worse the conditions get for the more support fascism gets. If Trump does not win this election, an even worse person will win the next one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago This, so much, this, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The Democrats are ideologically incapable of dealing with fascism, they will not address the root causes, America will have an authoritarian in office within 8 years. Quite frankly if America can't withstand trump's decrepit, corrupt, senile version of fascism then we're just going to fall to what ever ghoul the Republicans summon next. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fix it how? Like what's the plan? Is there a plan? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Democracy cannot be permanently "fixed", it can only be preserved via endless education and participation. Literally the only way to "fix" democracy is to participate in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) OK? How does that happen? Is there a Dem plan to drive democratic engagement, because they obviously haven't done a good job of it yet. It seems like fear of Repubs is the main selling point to voting Dem, and it isn't exactly a thrilling strategy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) More people voted for Biden in the 2020 election than any other candidate in American history by a pretty significant margin, voter turnout in both midterms and general elections are at their highest points in 100 years, obviously something is working permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago You have to know that a lot of those votes were "against Trump" more than they were "for Biden" right? Heartening to see such resistance to what Trump represents, to be sure, but it's laughable to say that Biden earned those votes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How does that happen? It happens when I go canvas and vote, not complain about it on the internet like you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Sounds like you've got it covered then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Democracy cannot be permanently "fixed", it can only be preserved via endless education and participation. Literally the only way to "fix" democracy is to participate in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) OK? How does that happen? Is there a Dem plan to drive democratic engagement, because they obviously haven't done a good job of it yet. It seems like fear of Repubs is the main selling point to voting Dem, and it isn't exactly a thrilling strategy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) More people voted for Biden in the 2020 election than any other candidate in American history by a pretty significant margin, voter turnout in both midterms and general elections are at their highest points in 100 years, obviously something is working permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago You have to know that a lot of those votes were "against Trump" more than they were "for Biden" right? Heartening to see such resistance to what Trump represents, to be sure, but it's laughable to say that Biden earned those votes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How does that happen? It happens when I go canvas and vote, not complain about it on the internet like you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Sounds like you've got it covered then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) OK? How does that happen? Is there a Dem plan to drive democratic engagement, because they obviously haven't done a good job of it yet. It seems like fear of Repubs is the main selling point to voting Dem, and it isn't exactly a thrilling strategy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) More people voted for Biden in the 2020 election than any other candidate in American history by a pretty significant margin, voter turnout in both midterms and general elections are at their highest points in 100 years, obviously something is working permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago You have to know that a lot of those votes were "against Trump" more than they were "for Biden" right? Heartening to see such resistance to what Trump represents, to be sure, but it's laughable to say that Biden earned those votes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How does that happen? It happens when I go canvas and vote, not complain about it on the internet like you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Sounds like you've got it covered then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) More people voted for Biden in the 2020 election than any other candidate in American history by a pretty significant margin, voter turnout in both midterms and general elections are at their highest points in 100 years, obviously something is working permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago You have to know that a lot of those votes were "against Trump" more than they were "for Biden" right? Heartening to see such resistance to what Trump represents, to be sure, but it's laughable to say that Biden earned those votes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago You have to know that a lot of those votes were "against Trump" more than they were "for Biden" right? Heartening to see such resistance to what Trump represents, to be sure, but it's laughable to say that Biden earned those votes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) How does that happen? It happens when I go canvas and vote, not complain about it on the internet like you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Sounds like you've got it covered then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Sounds like you've got it covered then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No there is a lesser chance. The worse the conditions get for the more support fascism gets. If Trump does not win this election, an even worse person will win the next one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago This, so much, this, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The Democrats are ideologically incapable of dealing with fascism, they will not address the root causes, America will have an authoritarian in office within 8 years. Quite frankly if America can't withstand trump's decrepit, corrupt, senile version of fascism then we're just going to fall to what ever ghoul the Republicans summon next. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago This, so much, this, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The Democrats are ideologically incapable of dealing with fascism, they will not address the root causes, America will have an authoritarian in office within 8 years. Quite frankly if America can't withstand trump's decrepit, corrupt, senile version of fascism then we're just going to fall to what ever ghoul the Republicans summon next. permalink fedilink source parent