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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 51 points 2 years ago (4 children) Aaron Bushnell, hero and role model permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I wish he had another choice. We failed him by not being organized enough to welcome him as a comrade. Instead he chose to do the only thing he could. I admire his courage, but it's a damn shame we lost someone willing to die for Palestinians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've failed him, we've failed the Palestinians, we've failed our immigrants and refugees, we've failed our LGBTQ+ people and people of color, we've failed our poor. The story of America is a story of one failure after another. And I say "America" even though this is world news, because he was American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ULS@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sometimes I have this thought that feels like a realization that it was never even about "the people" or "freedom" to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago It was about creating an in-group and implementing a caste system under the deceptive guise of democracy. What it's never actually been is democratic or free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd like to know why anyone would downvote this. Do you support genocide? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe people are understandably uncomfortable with self immolation? Nobody has ever liked an effective activist in their time. The civil rights protesters in USA had a <25% approval rate in the 60s. I think this person did what he thought was right, and I will remember him for that. And peace can't come soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago I fully agree. I have mad respect for him, which is why I expressed my admiration and support. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There's no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I've got nothing but respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out. And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] philo@lemmy.zip -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act. Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can't deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it's a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you're old/sick is a different thing. For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much -- I always think about it like this: We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you're not having a good time at all and think you can't ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We'll all be back there soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you. Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Indeed permalink fedilink source parent [+] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] sadreality@kbin.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Telling people that someone who burn himself is a role model is poor taste even if you respect the cause. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How so? I'm expressing my respect and gratitude in the best way I know how. This is tiresome and pointless pearl clutching. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think the "pearls being clutched" are that you have a great general point but are suggesting something strange. A role model is someone you want people to imitate. We want people to get his message, not to just do the same thing. Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A role model is someone you want people to imitate Yes Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. Imagine gatekeeping protests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean - do you think more people should set themselves on fire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AmidFuror@kbin.chat -1 points 2 years ago It's not like the commenter started a seance.... permalink fedilink source parent [+] iAmTheTot@kbin.social -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can we please not call people who set themselves on fire role models? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Aaron Bushnell is a fucking role model I wish I had half the courage it took permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't get this, I'm sure right-wingers would wish you had the courage, too. Why would you idolize this instead of looking at it like a tragedy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I am not going to disrespect a deep and meaningful selfless act like his. I'm not so disrespectful permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago Lol sure. I don't think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were "courageous" enough to kill yourself, I don't see how that could possibly improve things. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I wish he had another choice. We failed him by not being organized enough to welcome him as a comrade. Instead he chose to do the only thing he could. I admire his courage, but it's a damn shame we lost someone willing to die for Palestinians. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've failed him, we've failed the Palestinians, we've failed our immigrants and refugees, we've failed our LGBTQ+ people and people of color, we've failed our poor. The story of America is a story of one failure after another. And I say "America" even though this is world news, because he was American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ULS@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sometimes I have this thought that feels like a realization that it was never even about "the people" or "freedom" to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago It was about creating an in-group and implementing a caste system under the deceptive guise of democracy. What it's never actually been is democratic or free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've failed him, we've failed the Palestinians, we've failed our immigrants and refugees, we've failed our LGBTQ+ people and people of color, we've failed our poor. The story of America is a story of one failure after another. And I say "America" even though this is world news, because he was American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ULS@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sometimes I have this thought that feels like a realization that it was never even about "the people" or "freedom" to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago It was about creating an in-group and implementing a caste system under the deceptive guise of democracy. What it's never actually been is democratic or free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ULS@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sometimes I have this thought that feels like a realization that it was never even about "the people" or "freedom" to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago It was about creating an in-group and implementing a caste system under the deceptive guise of democracy. What it's never actually been is democratic or free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago It was about creating an in-group and implementing a caste system under the deceptive guise of democracy. What it's never actually been is democratic or free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd like to know why anyone would downvote this. Do you support genocide? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe people are understandably uncomfortable with self immolation? Nobody has ever liked an effective activist in their time. The civil rights protesters in USA had a <25% approval rate in the 60s. I think this person did what he thought was right, and I will remember him for that. And peace can't come soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago I fully agree. I have mad respect for him, which is why I expressed my admiration and support. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There's no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I've got nothing but respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out. And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] philo@lemmy.zip -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act. Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can't deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it's a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you're old/sick is a different thing. For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much -- I always think about it like this: We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you're not having a good time at all and think you can't ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We'll all be back there soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you. Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Indeed permalink fedilink source parent [+] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] sadreality@kbin.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Telling people that someone who burn himself is a role model is poor taste even if you respect the cause. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How so? I'm expressing my respect and gratitude in the best way I know how. This is tiresome and pointless pearl clutching. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think the "pearls being clutched" are that you have a great general point but are suggesting something strange. A role model is someone you want people to imitate. We want people to get his message, not to just do the same thing. Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A role model is someone you want people to imitate Yes Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. Imagine gatekeeping protests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean - do you think more people should set themselves on fire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe people are understandably uncomfortable with self immolation? Nobody has ever liked an effective activist in their time. The civil rights protesters in USA had a <25% approval rate in the 60s. I think this person did what he thought was right, and I will remember him for that. And peace can't come soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago I fully agree. I have mad respect for him, which is why I expressed my admiration and support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago I fully agree. I have mad respect for him, which is why I expressed my admiration and support. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There's no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I've got nothing but respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out. And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] philo@lemmy.zip -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act. Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can't deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it's a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you're old/sick is a different thing. For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much -- I always think about it like this: We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you're not having a good time at all and think you can't ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We'll all be back there soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you. Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Indeed permalink fedilink source parent [+] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There's no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I've got nothing but respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out. And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] philo@lemmy.zip -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act. Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can't deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it's a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you're old/sick is a different thing. For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much -- I always think about it like this: We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you're not having a good time at all and think you can't ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We'll all be back there soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you. Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Indeed permalink fedilink source parent
[+] philo@lemmy.zip -23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out. And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] philo@lemmy.zip -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act. Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can't deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it's a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you're old/sick is a different thing. For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much -- I always think about it like this: We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you're not having a good time at all and think you can't ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We'll all be back there soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you. Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Indeed permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out. And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] philo@lemmy.zip -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] philo@lemmy.zip -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] philo@lemmy.zip -19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago He was serving a military which was helping Israel to commit this genocide. Even removed from that, Americans are working and paying taxes which are being sent to fund Israel's campaign to achieve genocide. It doesn't matter whether he was pulling triggers himself, he knew that he was indirectly supporting the cause that he was so staunchly opposed to. I have too much to lose by standing (or dying) with him, so I don't. I'm too cowardly to do what he did. I fucking despise that we are supporting Israel, but I can't throw it all away in protest like he did. I'm not strong enough, and my family isn't strong enough without me. Or maybe they are and I'm too selfish to self terminate for this cause. Because if what he did, we are talking about it. We are all wondering how many more airmen this will cost. Just because we aren't putting our people on the ground to catch those bullets in person doesn't mean there isn't a cost. If we didn't support that genocide, Aaron Bushnell would be home with his family tonight. You can blame him all you want, but I don't think he was looking for a reason to abandon his family, I think he was disgusted by what he swore an oath to. We're supposed to defend the weak, house the exposed, feed the hungry, wash the unclean, etc. Instead, we're helping Israel to bomb schools and hospitals after telling people that those places are safe from their hellfire. History textbooks will reveal that we were standing idly by while our government funded this, downplayed this, and vetoed every attempt to pause this. There is no legitimate excuse to have allowed this to continue. I fucking hate my country for this. I'm ashamed to be an American, just as much today as I was during trump's presidency. But I still want to take a moment to remind everybody that trump would've 100% made this even worse. I'm not saying to not vote for Biden. I'm saying please, for the love of God, vote in local elections, vote in primaries, and get us somebody better than this fucking shithead neolib next time, but in the meantime help him to beat the autocratic fascist because Biden is way better even though he still fucking sucks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act. Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can't deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it's a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you're old/sick is a different thing. For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much -- I always think about it like this: We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you're not having a good time at all and think you can't ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We'll all be back there soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] philo@lemmy.zip -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you. Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] philo@lemmy.zip -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you. Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you. Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want. permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] sadreality@kbin.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Telling people that someone who burn himself is a role model is poor taste even if you respect the cause. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How so? I'm expressing my respect and gratitude in the best way I know how. This is tiresome and pointless pearl clutching. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think the "pearls being clutched" are that you have a great general point but are suggesting something strange. A role model is someone you want people to imitate. We want people to get his message, not to just do the same thing. Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A role model is someone you want people to imitate Yes Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. Imagine gatekeeping protests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean - do you think more people should set themselves on fire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How so? I'm expressing my respect and gratitude in the best way I know how. This is tiresome and pointless pearl clutching. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think the "pearls being clutched" are that you have a great general point but are suggesting something strange. A role model is someone you want people to imitate. We want people to get his message, not to just do the same thing. Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A role model is someone you want people to imitate Yes Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. Imagine gatekeeping protests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean - do you think more people should set themselves on fire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] explodicle@local106.com -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think the "pearls being clutched" are that you have a great general point but are suggesting something strange. A role model is someone you want people to imitate. We want people to get his message, not to just do the same thing. Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A role model is someone you want people to imitate Yes Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. Imagine gatekeeping protests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean - do you think more people should set themselves on fire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A role model is someone you want people to imitate Yes Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he's inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations. Imagine gatekeeping protests. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] explodicle@local106.com -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean - do you think more people should set themselves on fire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] explodicle@local106.com -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean - do you think more people should set themselves on fire? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] explodicle@local106.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But you are saying he's a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I do. I think we should be like him and stand up for what is right. 100% correct. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AmidFuror@kbin.chat -1 points 2 years ago It's not like the commenter started a seance.... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AmidFuror@kbin.chat -1 points 2 years ago It's not like the commenter started a seance.... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AmidFuror@kbin.chat -1 points 2 years ago It's not like the commenter started a seance.... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] iAmTheTot@kbin.social -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can we please not call people who set themselves on fire role models? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Aaron Bushnell is a fucking role model I wish I had half the courage it took permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't get this, I'm sure right-wingers would wish you had the courage, too. Why would you idolize this instead of looking at it like a tragedy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I am not going to disrespect a deep and meaningful selfless act like his. I'm not so disrespectful permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago Lol sure. I don't think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were "courageous" enough to kill yourself, I don't see how that could possibly improve things. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Aaron Bushnell is a fucking role model I wish I had half the courage it took permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't get this, I'm sure right-wingers would wish you had the courage, too. Why would you idolize this instead of looking at it like a tragedy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I am not going to disrespect a deep and meaningful selfless act like his. I'm not so disrespectful permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago Lol sure. I don't think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were "courageous" enough to kill yourself, I don't see how that could possibly improve things. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't get this, I'm sure right-wingers would wish you had the courage, too. Why would you idolize this instead of looking at it like a tragedy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I am not going to disrespect a deep and meaningful selfless act like his. I'm not so disrespectful permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago Lol sure. I don't think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were "courageous" enough to kill yourself, I don't see how that could possibly improve things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because I am not going to disrespect a deep and meaningful selfless act like his. I'm not so disrespectful permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago Lol sure. I don't think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were "courageous" enough to kill yourself, I don't see how that could possibly improve things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago Lol sure. I don't think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were "courageous" enough to kill yourself, I don't see how that could possibly improve things. permalink fedilink source parent
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