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Encrypted hard drive asking for password every time (lemy.lol)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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I recently switched to Linux (Zorin OS) and I selected "use ZFS and encrypt" during installation. Now before I can log in it asks me "please unlock disk keystore-rpool" and I have to type in the encryption password it before I'm able to get to the login screen.

Is there a way to do this automatically like with Windows or MacOS? Zorin has biometric login which is nice but this defeats the purpose especially because the encryption password is long and tedious to type in.

Also might TPM have anything to do with this?

EDIT: Based on the responses I have to assume some of you guys live in windowless underground bunkers sealed off with concrete because door locks "aren't secure against battering rams". Normal people don't need perfect encryption they just want to add an extra hurdle or two for the crackhead who steals the PC. I assumed Linux had a system similar to what Windows or MacOS has been doing for a decade but I am apparently wrong.

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[–] 65 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Kinda curious as to the point of drive encryption if you just want it to automatically unlock on boot.

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  • [+] [S] -31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Encryption makes it more difficult to copy data from the drive. Windows and MacOS can manage to encrypt drives without requiring two different passwords, I mistakenly assumed Linux could too.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If you're having it automatically unlock the drive at boot, it kind of defeats the purpose. If someone steals your tower, they can boot it and copy the unencrypted contents since it automatically unlocks.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    It depends on where the encryption data is stored. If the bootloader and bios/efi are locked down and the data to unlock is stored in an encrypted enclave or one is using a TPM (and not an external chip one that can be sniffed with a pi), that's a reasonable protection for the OS even if somebody gains physical access.

    You could also store the password in the EFI, or on a USB stick etc. It doesn't help you much against longer-term physical access but it can help if somebody just grabs the drive. It's also useful to protect the drive if it's being disposed of as the crypto is tied to other hardware.

    Even just encrypting the main OS with the keys in the boot/initrd has benefit, as ensuring that part is well-wiped makes asset disposal safe(r). Some motherboards have an on-board SDCard or USB slot which your can use for the boot partition. It means I don't have to take a drill to my drives before I dispose of them

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  • [+] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Bypassing login is not difficult on a lot of OS.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Yeah, but a lot of those things will trip the TPM module, so you will get a different decryption key if you for example try to use the single kernel parameter to boot into a root shell. And different decryption key means no access to the data.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    At least on Windows that requires booting the PC from some other media, and that wouldn't work with the drive encrypted because you have no access to the files you need to modify.

    Is it similar with Linux, or do you mean you can actually bypass login from the OS that's already booted up??

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    It is similar in Linux. Vulnerabilities, bugs, or enough time will get through on any OS so people have to decide on their personal level of paranoia. A lot of people have very little idea how a TPM or sealing key material works.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    By intercepting the key on hardware level

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Perfect security doesn't exist. If they've got the engineering capital required to design and manufacture key retrieval hardware, you lost the moment they gained physical access to your equipment.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I agree. Physical access to the device and its often game over.

    Sadly reading off the key is already trivial in some cases as showcased in this recent video by stacksmashing

    Since the key has to be sent to the cpu in plain text it can easily be sniffed. If however the TPM is integrated in the cpu its not so easy, but then the os can be manipulated or hacked after boot with known exploits.

    If you have a long and secure password for you encryption the absolute only way in is to brute force the key which is significantly harder if not impossible regardless of capital

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    But if you have it set to unlock automatically…? It’s not like the drive is going to know it’s you booting it vs someone else if you’re not having to enter the password.

    Windows and Mac can indeed encrypt drives without two passwords - as long as you don’t set a drive encryption password to be entered at BIOS load before the OS loads, which is what you’ve done.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The idea is to use TPM to store the keys - if you boot into a modified OS, TPM won't give you the same key so automatic unlock will fail. And protection against somebody just booting the original system and copying data off it is provided by the system login screen.

    Voilà, automatic drive decryption with fingerprint unlock to log into the OS. That's what Windows does anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Although OPs scenario is if someone steals the tower, in which case it’s not a different TPM. Would only help if the drives were yanked, which honestly I’d probably do rather than try to take the whole tower.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you boot the computer into the currently installed OS, you will be presented with a login screen and will have to enter the correct password to log in (kernel parameters are part of the checksums, so booting into single-user mode won't help you, that counts as a modified OS). If you boot a different OS, you won't get the key off the TPM.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago

    as long as you don’t set a drive encryption password to be entered at BIOS load before the OS loads, which is what you’ve done.

    MacOS does ask for a different password during setup, which you never have to use again unless you want to access the drive on a different PC.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    How... How would they get the drive? Would n that need access to your computer? I imagine at that point they could turn it on first and copy your data that way, no?

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