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Taliban's Massively Successful Opium Eradication Raises Questions About What US Was Doing All Along (www.mintpressnews.com)
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[–] 38 points 3 years ago (1 child)

You said American blame for poppy production during the occupation isn’t supported by the facts.

I restated those facts and asked what conclusion they do support.

So did the occupation increase opium production on purpose or just turn a blind eye to it?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    You said American blame for poppy production during the occupation isn’t supported by the facts.

    I didn’t claim that. but I’d like to see what I did say that you somehow twisted into that.

    I restated those facts and asked what conclusion they do support.

    you stated something and jumped to a conclusion you wanted, with zero facts to back it up.

    So did the occupation increase opium production on purpose or just turn a blind eye to it?

    here’s the staw man and association fallacies again— The US did not go there for this reason, which is the original assertion— so none of this is relevant. You’re trying to prove a point that has nothing to do with the argument of WHY the US was eve there which had nothing to do with opium. It was just one of many things the US concerned itself with once it was there. Like building schools. We didn’t go there to do that, either, but we happened to do it while we were there.

    are you capable of speaking in anything other than 100% logical fallacy?

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You, in this post:

    twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.

    So what conclusion do the facts support if not that the us is to blame for opium production during the occupation?

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    So what conclusion do the facts support

    I’m not here to draw conclusions, just to present the facts (and object to when my words are twisted, when logical fallacies are used to argue against the facts, etc.), which is all I have done.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Suggesting someone needs to twist themselves up in knots to blame the us for opium production during the occupation implies that the United States isn’t clearly responsible for opium production during the occupation.

    Unless theres another reason someone would have to twist themselves up in knots to get there, of course.

    That’s a conclusion. Now I’m not trying to get a gotcha or own or something here. I understand that sometimes when you get to talkin about something you might say things you don’t mean to. My question is how’d you get there?

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Suggesting someone needs to twist themselves up in knots to blame the us for opium production during the occupation implies that the United States isn’t clearly responsible for opium production during the occupation.

    had someone actually made such a suggestion, that would be interesting. when and where did that happen?

    Unless theres another reason someone would have to twist themselves up in knots to get there, of course

    I’m not here to speculate.

    That’s a conclusion

    ok,, goodbye!

    I understand that sometimes when you get to talkin about something you might say things you don’t mean to.

    I understand, and if you wish to apologize for twisting the things I said to try to win an argument, I’ll forgive you.

    My question is how’d you get there?

    probably the same way you did; using a web browser.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    had someone actually made such a suggestion, that would be interesting. when and where did that happen?

    Allow me to repeat myself:

    You, in this post:

    twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.

    So, how’d you come to the conclusion that the us isn’t to blame for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    So, how’d you come to the conclusion that the us isn’t to blame for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan?

    because there are zero facts to support it.

    you argument is fundamentally flawed. no matter how many ways you twist yourself up, twist my words, or twist anything else, you’re never going to successfully argue against the facts.

    you lost this argument hours ago. you’re just torturing yourself at this point.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Quick response!

    Would you say that the United States is responsible for governing industrial and agricultural output during its occupation?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    first, as I’ve said, I’ve presented facts. I’m no here to discuss your straw man r be drawn into any rhetorical “traps” you might try to get me to admit something you can twist into something you can claim as a ‘win”— and I know that’s all you’re after here.

    I’m obviously not going to engage with you when I know you’re arguing in bad faith an from a flawed premise.

    it’s clear that you’re after some sort of catharsis - something to prove your hours of trolling was worth it, and I’m going to tell you now: you won’t get it from me.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lol believe me, the only thing I’ve gotten or expect to get from this interaction is a headache.

    I’m not using any strawmen or rhetorical traps (what even is that?) or twisting your words. If you feel attacked just tap out, there’s nothing to win or lose and a conversation on the internet isn’t worth getting heated over.

    What you said and I quoted a couple of times way earlier implies you don’t think the us was responsible for opium production during the occupation and I want to understand your viewpoint. Do you think the us was responsible for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Lol believe me, the only thing I’ve gotten or expect to get from this interaction is a headache.

    you have only yourself to thank for that. after all,. you made the decision to come and troll my comments, and you’re the one who refuses to stop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I’m not using any strawmen or rhetorical traps (what even is that?) or twisting your words.

    except for the many, many times I clearly show you were, you said “nah-uh!” and we keep going around in circles.

    all because you refuse to admit you’re wrong and keep hatefully trolling me due to your deep-seated insecurities. because you just can’t walk away due to some hangup about what an internet stranger happens to think.

    but go on and deny that, too, and I’ll just keep repeating the same thing again and agin until the end of time.

    tired of losing yet? because I’m happy t keep telling you this forever.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You said there were zero facts to support blaming the us for production during the occupation, so does that mean that the production didn’t happen or it wasn’t the occupation governments fault?

    There’s no wrong answer here. I’m not gonna send the stasi to break down your door for being a lib, I just want to understand how someone who clearly values logic and rhetoric came to that conclusion.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    so does that mean that the production didn’t happen or it wasn’t the occupation governments fault?

    have fun on that journey of discovery!

    There’s no wrong answer here

    except for those which had no evidence to support them.

    I’m not gonna send the stasi to break down your door for being a lib

    you keep calling me names because it makes you feel better for trolling and bullying me, but you don’t know me at all nor what I believe because ii have said anything other than providing and debating the established facts. I could be communist or fascist or something in between, but all I’ve argued is the facts. nothing personal.

    I just want to understand how someone who clearly values logic and rhetoric came to that conclusion.

    I’ve said it hundreds of time, and you’re going to ignore it this time too: THE FACTS as supported by THE EVIDENCE.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    So you’re not going to explain how you came to the conclusion that the us occupation government in Afghanistan wasn’t responsible for opium production while it was in power and you’re also not gonna provide any source for the facts that led you to that conclusion?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    So you’re not going to explain how you came to the conclusion that the us occupation government in Afghanistan wasn’t responsible for opium production while it was in power and you’re also not gonna provide any source for the facts that led you to that conclusion?

    I never said that. why do you think lying, especially when there’s evidence of what I DID say, will win you any “points” or whatever you’re after here?

    I drew no conclusions as there was no evidence to support such a conclusion.

    you’re welcome to prove - with evidence - how you came to that conclusion. As of now, none has been provided to support that conclusion. Someone asserted that and provided some link, but the evidence did not back up their claim.

    so, keep raging, but you’re wasting your time trying to twist my words into something I never said.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Here I go repeating myself again:

    You, in this post:

    twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.

    The thing people are blaming the us for is increased opium production under the occupation of Afghanistan.

    So are you suggesting that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts.

    so you admit that you lied about what I said, even quoting wha I actually did say to PROVE you lied, yet...

    The thing people are blaming the us for is increased opium production under the occupation of Afghanistan.

    you misrepresent a handful of commenters as “people’ making it seem like this is a commonly-held argument that rational people actually believe — without any evidence to back it up… or any evidence that it’s even true.

    so, based on these lies and bad-faith twisting of the argument, why should I engage with this discussion further knowing full well you’ll just continue to lie and twist my words because that’s exactly what you’ve been doing this whole time?

    So are you suggesting that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts?

    see? you couldn’t even make it to the end of that comment before you did it again!

    can you not control it? is the lying a compulsion for you? I mean… the evidence of what I said is right there yet you insist I said something I clearly didn’t. it’s… very strange.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    can you not control it? is the lying a compulsion for you? I mean… the evidence of what I said is right there yet you insist I said something I clearly didn’t. it’s… very strange.

    Why do you need to insult soneone who has veen nothing but respectful in their interaction with you? You refuse to commit, you are not discussing anything, you are provocing and trying to put down your conversation partner.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So let me summarize:

    You won’t tell me what I’ve lied about. You won’t clarify your position. You won’t confirm or deny what statements of fact you accept. You won’t accept the other posters in this thread as people (???).

    You asked why you should engage in this discussion any further. I don’t believe you should. You seem to have nothing to say even when asked clear, direct questions intended to give you a platform to speak. There is no discussion here.

    If, on the other hand, you do want to keep going (you do not have to. You can just not respond. No one will judge you.):

    Based on your statement

    twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts

    Which was made in the context of other users blaming the United States for production of opium during the occupation of Afghanistan, I surmised you meant that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts.

    Was I wrong in that? If so, what blame being placed on the us isn’t supported by the facts?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    more trolling, I see

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m not trolling. I haven’t insulted or accused you of anything and I’ve tried my level best to treat you with the kindness of Christ and patience of Job.

    I’d like to know what you meant by

    twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts

    I took a look at the context, which was users blaming the us for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan, and surmised you meant that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts.

    Was that a wrong assessment? If so, what blame being placed on the us isn’t supported by the facts?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    trolly troll...

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I want to understand what you meant. Ive refined my question to be as straightforward and clear as possible over our entire conversation.

    If you think you’re being trolled then just don’t respond. Look away. Do something else.

    If you are willing to have a conversation based on the thread topic:

    I’d like to know what you meant by

    twisting yourself into knots just to blame the US is absurd and not supported by the facts

    The context is users blaming the us for opium production during its occupation of Afghanistan, and surmised you meant that the claim that the United States is responsible for opium production during the occupation of Afghanistan isn’t supported by the facts.

    Was that a wrong assessment? If so, what blame being placed on the us isn’t supported by the facts?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hi guys, it's pissy dickle here. This is one of my lost alts. They seem to be misbehaving. This is sad because I taught all my alts not to use logical fallacies such as:

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