▲ 153 ▼ Reddit has never turned a profit in nearly 20 years, but it just filed to go public anyway (edition.cnn.com) submitted 2 years ago by ZeroCool@slrpnk.net to c/technology@beehaw.org 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Paragone@beehaw.org 55 points 2 years ago (2 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1axll4s/reddit_files_to_go_public_reveals_that_it_paid/ Spez got paid, according to that, $193,000,000 last year as CEO. reddit "never turned a profit". I can't imagine the corruption/anti-integrity required to reconcile those 2 facts. How come he isn't in jail, for fraud?? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net [S] 43 points 2 years ago* (3 children) The article in the reddit post you shared is misleading. According to the S1 filed with the SEC, spez’s current base pay is $450,000; in 2023 he got roughly $792,000 in performance-based bonuses. The rest of that 193 million is options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WastedJobe@feddit.de 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) How did he get performance based bonuses when his company isn't profitable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kata1yst@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago Apparently that wasn't one of his MBOs, so we can infer the board is a bunch of dumbasses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@startrek.website 19 points 2 years ago And with any luck those options will be worth fuck all after the IPO flops permalink fedilink source parent [–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Base pay is a meaningless figure in tech. Total comp is all that matters. The true high rollers intentionally keep their base pay low to dodge taxes. This doesn’t mean they aren’t still getting and using this money, it’s just an intentional straw man to allow them to make this exact argument. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wim@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except that Spez can't convert those options until some time after IPO and probably only in a staggered way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 1 point 2 years ago You don’t need to exercise your stock options to access their value. It’s common practice to take loans out against their value, which allows you to access your money effectively tax free by instead paying interest against the loan. This is (again) a fairly commonplace practice used to make collecting tax difficult, and allow them to make the argument to regulators that they aren’t actually being paid that much, it’s totally just options they would never sell off. That’s why C suite has such a “burn everything to the ground, as long as our stock price goes up” mentality, because if it doesn’t, they have to start worrying about interest on their loans— because they have fairly low liquidity (percentage wise). permalink fedilink source parent [–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago Why would there be any fraud? His salary is approved by the board that represents the current shareholders. It's also not particularly surprising on account of there being plenty of VC-subsidised companies that never turned a profit, had high salaries for their executives and then IPO'd. If your question is moreso on the absurdities of capitalism, then that's another discussion entirely, but I feel it's important to note that this is nothing out of the ordinary. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net [S] 43 points 2 years ago* (3 children) The article in the reddit post you shared is misleading. According to the S1 filed with the SEC, spez’s current base pay is $450,000; in 2023 he got roughly $792,000 in performance-based bonuses. The rest of that 193 million is options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WastedJobe@feddit.de 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) How did he get performance based bonuses when his company isn't profitable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kata1yst@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago Apparently that wasn't one of his MBOs, so we can infer the board is a bunch of dumbasses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Steve@startrek.website 19 points 2 years ago And with any luck those options will be worth fuck all after the IPO flops permalink fedilink source parent [–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Base pay is a meaningless figure in tech. Total comp is all that matters. The true high rollers intentionally keep their base pay low to dodge taxes. This doesn’t mean they aren’t still getting and using this money, it’s just an intentional straw man to allow them to make this exact argument. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wim@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except that Spez can't convert those options until some time after IPO and probably only in a staggered way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 1 point 2 years ago You don’t need to exercise your stock options to access their value. It’s common practice to take loans out against their value, which allows you to access your money effectively tax free by instead paying interest against the loan. This is (again) a fairly commonplace practice used to make collecting tax difficult, and allow them to make the argument to regulators that they aren’t actually being paid that much, it’s totally just options they would never sell off. That’s why C suite has such a “burn everything to the ground, as long as our stock price goes up” mentality, because if it doesn’t, they have to start worrying about interest on their loans— because they have fairly low liquidity (percentage wise). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WastedJobe@feddit.de 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) How did he get performance based bonuses when his company isn't profitable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kata1yst@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago Apparently that wasn't one of his MBOs, so we can infer the board is a bunch of dumbasses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kata1yst@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago Apparently that wasn't one of his MBOs, so we can infer the board is a bunch of dumbasses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@startrek.website 19 points 2 years ago And with any luck those options will be worth fuck all after the IPO flops permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Base pay is a meaningless figure in tech. Total comp is all that matters. The true high rollers intentionally keep their base pay low to dodge taxes. This doesn’t mean they aren’t still getting and using this money, it’s just an intentional straw man to allow them to make this exact argument. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wim@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except that Spez can't convert those options until some time after IPO and probably only in a staggered way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 1 point 2 years ago You don’t need to exercise your stock options to access their value. It’s common practice to take loans out against their value, which allows you to access your money effectively tax free by instead paying interest against the loan. This is (again) a fairly commonplace practice used to make collecting tax difficult, and allow them to make the argument to regulators that they aren’t actually being paid that much, it’s totally just options they would never sell off. That’s why C suite has such a “burn everything to the ground, as long as our stock price goes up” mentality, because if it doesn’t, they have to start worrying about interest on their loans— because they have fairly low liquidity (percentage wise). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wim@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except that Spez can't convert those options until some time after IPO and probably only in a staggered way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 1 point 2 years ago You don’t need to exercise your stock options to access their value. It’s common practice to take loans out against their value, which allows you to access your money effectively tax free by instead paying interest against the loan. This is (again) a fairly commonplace practice used to make collecting tax difficult, and allow them to make the argument to regulators that they aren’t actually being paid that much, it’s totally just options they would never sell off. That’s why C suite has such a “burn everything to the ground, as long as our stock price goes up” mentality, because if it doesn’t, they have to start worrying about interest on their loans— because they have fairly low liquidity (percentage wise). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pup_atlas@pawb.social 1 point 2 years ago You don’t need to exercise your stock options to access their value. It’s common practice to take loans out against their value, which allows you to access your money effectively tax free by instead paying interest against the loan. This is (again) a fairly commonplace practice used to make collecting tax difficult, and allow them to make the argument to regulators that they aren’t actually being paid that much, it’s totally just options they would never sell off. That’s why C suite has such a “burn everything to the ground, as long as our stock price goes up” mentality, because if it doesn’t, they have to start worrying about interest on their loans— because they have fairly low liquidity (percentage wise). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago Why would there be any fraud? His salary is approved by the board that represents the current shareholders. It's also not particularly surprising on account of there being plenty of VC-subsidised companies that never turned a profit, had high salaries for their executives and then IPO'd. If your question is moreso on the absurdities of capitalism, then that's another discussion entirely, but I feel it's important to note that this is nothing out of the ordinary. permalink fedilink source parent