And just as terrible to use for every starter as emacs is ;)

I started learning Emacs at the same time I was learning to code. Once I found Doom it was pretty straightforward. Before that...it wasn't fun.

I'm currently trying out lazyvim, and I think the Emacs approach is a lot more accessible to beginners because:

• it does everything on its own instead of relying on you knowing cli tools

• :help is just sad when compared to C-h, and generally the in-editor docs and guides are a lot worse

• Doom is a lot more opinionated than lazyvim, but it also requires a lot less manual setup

it's doom emacs(with vim bindings). I am currently using vim but wanted to learn emacs too as org mode seems interesting

VI is the number of the beast! Install Emacs now and save your soul!