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Valve gives kudos to “amazing” Steam Deck competitors (www.pcgamesn.com)
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[–] [S] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

You are wrong because you can install anything using flathub and that has almost everything anyone would ever need, https://flathub.org/apps/search. I don't own the device myself but it's Arch based so everything should just work?

From Valve themselves: "Currently, this is a stock KDE Plasma experience in terms of installing software. You can use the Discover Software Center (on the taskbar) to install apps. The Discover Software Center installs applications using flatpak technology (more on this below) onto the writeable portion of your drive. If you know your way around a Linux command line you can directly use flatpak commands to install applications. Common browsers, music players, and other kinds of applications are already available via these methods, and we expect that many more will be updated, fixed, and available after launch."

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'am not, those are flatpaks, that's not the same as system wide installation. You can't change system files on the deck unless you unlock it, and even if you do that your changes will get reverted next time there is an update, because that's how he system is designed to work, every update a clean slate.

    I own a Steam Deck, reserved it on the first 15 minutes. I use Linux daily as my main OS for almost two decades, coincidentally most of my machines are also Arch based. I know what I'm talking about. You don't want to use SteamOS for your daily computer, the system is purposefully handicapped to work as a console, if you're doing the occasional browsing or text editing it works, the moment you need to touch system things it goes down the drain very fast.

    I'm not shitting on the deck or SteamOS, I have a deck and never even considering switching the system. But you need to know the limitations of it. The system is designed for gaming, trying to use it as your main computer is bound to give you headaches even if you know your way around Linux and can think on appropriate ways to bypass the limitations, from things like podman to user services to overlay fs.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    I mean that's fair, but for the average users what exactly are they going to need to be touching system wise? All your flatpak stuff is going to be safe.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    Depends on what the average user wants to do, here's a list of random things off the top of my head that require system wide changes, i.e. they will get overwritten with the next update (which btw means you'll need to do these at the very least monthly, but might be daily if you also want the latest SteamOS updates):

    • Configure a Logitech gaming mouse, while the program to do this (piper) has a flatpak, it depends on a library (libratbag) being installed system-wide. There are technical reasons for it, but in short it means it doesn't work. This is not a problem on most Linux distros because you can just install libratbag using your package manager.
    • Use something that's not KDE. If you wanted to use GNOME, XFCE, i3, or whatever else, you couldn't. You're stuck with KDE, if you find a way around it better automate it, because next update it will be gone.
    • Plug non-standard stuff that requires custom udev rules, e.g. using ADB on android phones. If you want to install things from your computer onto an android phone or of you want to root your phone you need to use ADB on it, however ADB depends on some udev rules for some android devices to be properly recognised, most distros have a package called android-udev-rules or something similar that has those configurations.
    • Change your boot manager. Doing this is likely to fuck up the deck, since the next update your boot manager will be deleted but the standard one might not get reinstalled. I don't know exactly what would happen, but my guess is that every update you would need to either go to the bios to temporarily set the old boot manager back, or boot using a live image and reinstall your boot manager.
    • Change kernel parameters. There are plenty of reasons to want to change your kernel parameters, and whatever changes you make will need to be redone every update.
    • Install custom kernels.
    • Install firmwares.
    • Install drivers.

    That's just what I came up with half-asleep in 5min, I'm sure there are plenty of more examples. Yes a user might go his entire life without needing any of that, but someone who doesn't know Linux will get frustrated if he needs any of it and nothing that he does work and when he gets it to work it's reverted the next day. On the other hand, someone who knows Linux doesn't need to be told any of this, because they understand the limitations and why they exist, and can work their way around it, but most importantly probably wouldn't ask if the steam deck can be used as a PC or if it's proprietary, since the steam deck in kind of a big thing in the community.

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