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We don't earn it. (lemmy.world)
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[–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Seems like a Canada problem, not a capitalism problem. Germany is a capitalist country where things are kind of okay. France is a capitalist country and they banned throwing away food that's is still edible. Many countries tax residential properties that are empty, encouraging renting or selling them and fueling supply. There are easy and straightforward solutions to all of those problems. You just need to vote for people willing to implement them.

And those are not tax havens or microstates, BTW. I'm talking about countries with 50+ Million people, a lot of immigration, and not even a lot of natural resources. For countries with oil look what Norway is doing. Also capitalist, BTW.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Yeah, I specified in the first line that Germany is a socialist market economy. As are the Scandinavian countries to varying degrees. Those are not features of capitalism. Those are features of those specific countries. You could do away with market capitalism and still not throw away food, or leaving residential properties empty. Free market capitalism actually dictates that food and housing are private industries that should be controlled by private interests with little (or no) government oversight. Socialism is what says that those thing should be government regulated and that measures should be taken to ensure everyone has access to food and shelter.

    The socialist market economy is not the same thing as a capitalist free market. To be clear, I also believe that a socialist market is insufficient. Simply taking half or quarter measures to ensure people don't starve to death and have homes isn't enough either. A modest step in the right direction, but not what the end goal should be.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It is an economy centered around capital, so a capitalist economy.

    And nobody is talking about half homes. You get something like 50m2 for the first person and 20m2 for each subsequent family member.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    These are not black and white capitalist or socialist systems. Each countries economy is different and more often than not a mix of economic ideologies. No pure capitalist economy exists, nor a pure socialist economy. Trying to argue that these are or are not problems with capitalism is a bit of a moot point because of that.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    That is not what capitalism is lol

    I said half measure not half homes. They could just, you know, provide homeless people with homes. Taxing property owners for not renting properties is doing pretty well nothing for people who are homeless and half no income. Over half a million Germans are homeless.

    Edit: I see where the half home confusion is coming from, that was a typo meant to say "have homes".

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's the definition of capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    No, a market using currency does not make it capitalist. Capitalism is the free market. Capitalism is the economic ideology of private markets. Capitalism is the labor ideology of private ownership of the means of production. That one person can own a hundred factories and be entitled to the fruits of labor of those factories.

    A country is more capitalist the less government control of its free market. It is more capitalist the more privatized its industries are. It is more socialist the greater the government control of its markets are, and the more nationalized its industries are.

    Communist nations still use currency. Currency, or capital, has existed long before capitalism came into existence.

    If you want to know more there are plenty of freely available resources online that explain it in much grater detail than I will here.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Of CAPITAL markets, no need of long winding diatribes.

    Communism aspires to a cashless society.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    What do you mean long winding diatribes? Or did you just say that cause you think it makes you sound smart lol. You're failing to understand the difference between money and capitalism. Markets predate capitalism. Money predates capitalism. Capitalism is an ideology.

    Literally Google and read for five minutes.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sound smart? What word you don't know? I can explain it to you.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's the way you used the sentence in reference to my description of capitalism. It was 2 paragraphs, a very short explanation of a socio-economic ideology.

    You've just shown yourself to have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not going to teach you what capitalism is. You can do that yourself.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I do declare myself as the winner of the discussion, good day sir!

    Nice to see that some things are just the same as on Reddit.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You never even actually engaged with anything I said. Just tried to say that capitalism is good because some nations with market economies are less shitty than other ones, failed to understand what capitalism itself actually is, and refused to learn. There's no winner or loser in this discussion. You're just wrong about capitalism. You do not understand what it is. It's not a matter of winning, it's a matter of you trying to engage in discussions about subjects that affect hundreds of millions of lives without even actually understanding what you are talking about. It's okay for you to not understand or know something, but don't act like you're an expert at something you know nothing about. There are loads of resources online. If you want to talk about capitalism and the free market do yourself the service of learning what those things are.

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