▲ 78 ▼ Can we please just go back to using smaller wheels and tires? (arstechnica.com) submitted 3 years ago by rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de to c/cars@lemmy.world 29 comments fedilink hide all child comments “And now, a rant about wheels and tires that are too big.”
[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 58 points 3 years ago (4 children) Honestly I'm kinda bummed that EVERYTHING about cars is getting bigger- not just tires and wheels. I like small cars, small trucks, etc :/ Honestly the same is true with phones, the market keeps moving towards bigger and bigger phones permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Agreed. I like my cars small. If I ever become a gazillionaire, I will drive a Nash Metro converted into an EV. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) I will drive a first gen miata. Maybe EV converted or LS swapped. I love the little pop up and down headlights 🥺 they make me happy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] coco@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Ls engine is overkill !!! You ll spin tooo much and adding extra weight to thefront will fok up the almost perfect weight distributiom Even with a turbo. 350 hp is exagerated To each their cup of tea !! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fair, there are reasons why its a "maybe". I'm not too worried about spinning though, its not a super uncommon swap for miatas so folks have given it a go before, and drifting seems like a blast. Currently drive a civic so I've not had the opportunity to try it permalink fedilink source parent [–] 8bitguy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) They look cool, but they're annoying when they get stuck. I had a couple cars with them through the years. Sadly, never a first gen Miata. I like them too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) this. My 99 forester SUV is half the size of a modern one, but is still a 5 seater with plently of space in the hatch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skizzles@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) No it's not. The dimensions are almost the same between the two... 99 Forester Length: 175.2 inches Height: 65 inches Width w/o mirrors: 68.3 inches Rim size: 16 inches 23 Forester Length: 182.7 inches Height: 68.1 inches Width w/o mirrors: 71.5 inches Rim size: 17 or 18 depending on trim They are less than 10 inches different in every aspect. I keep hearing people say cars are getting bigger bigger bigger, but they aren't. There are still plenty of normal sized cars out there. People just have this strange perception of them. Yes, in absolute fairness there are some cars that are bigger, like they do seem to be marketing larger trucks and less of the really capable small trucks like the S10 or in nowaday terms a Ford Maverick. But this whole consensus on how cars are just getting so big is a stretch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) By 'modern one' I wasn't necessarily specifying the same model but I definitely should have been more clear. It's small compared to many of the new models I see on the road. Also just comparing the totals like that isn't exactly a clean comparison. The whole car sits lower to the ground, it's actually low enough it doesn't have a "Risk of rollover" warning on the windshield. Also the design of the hood and windshield itself push further back than newer cars with sleeker designs, it's more space efficient in general, just ugly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skizzles@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Haha, I agree with you on the height difference, I have a newer one but prefer the low stance of the older ones. I do appreciate your opinion on it as it is a fair take and not to the extent that I perceived it. I just feel like people tend to generalize something that, while in some aspects is true, but not to the extent that some people express. That being said, I'd be much happier taking a train or bus provided we had better services for it. I lived in Japan for some time and I loved it, it was so easy to get anywhere and I got much more exercise out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago I'm stuck in small town nebraska unfortunately, there's no bus service, the trains shut down decades ago, and the nearest airport is an hour drive away. And most of the roads here are in disrepair, so much so that the sidewalks became lawns, you can still see the bricks of when they originally paved it 100 years ago. And forget about bike lanes, a couple of our towns are only accesible off the highway. I would kill for a bus to take me from the town over and back, it would save an hour of driving each day and lots and lots of gas money permalink fedilink source parent [–] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ten inches bigger realistically feels a LOT bigger when it comes to something like a car. If you park a first gen and last gen forester next to each other the new one looks huge in comparison. Just a few inches wider or longer can make a huge difference in how you fit into narrow streets or parking spaces. As another example, I drive a 90s Land Cruiser. By 90s standards it was a BIG full size SUV and the “small” body on frame option was a 4Runner. 94 Land Cruiser: 188x76x73 94 4Runner: 176x67x66 It’s only ~10” in each direction but the Land Cruiser looks and feels much larger. I parked next to a new 4Runner the other day and it is noticeably bigger than my Land Cruiser 2023 4Runner: 191x76x72 Meanwhile the 300 series Land Cruiser has continued to grow. 2023 Land Cruiser: 195x78x77 permalink fedilink source parent [–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Dreading the day my pixel 5 dies and I have to shop for something the same size permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, I think the zenphone is the only option I'm aware of with decent specs. Xperia may still have a small phone option, and I'm not sure what size fairphones have generally been but I know they're planning to release the fairphone 5 before too long. I'm still using a pixel 3 with a crap battery 🙃 permalink fedilink source parent [–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) Is it a case of the market is telling you what you want cause it wants you to want what will make it money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago No it's because fuel economy regulations are higher on smaller vehicles, and less stringent on bigger vehicles. Car companies would rather make monster trucks than pay a small tax. https://youtu.be/azI3nqrHEXM permalink fedilink source parent [+] fluke@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Agreed. I like my cars small. If I ever become a gazillionaire, I will drive a Nash Metro converted into an EV. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) I will drive a first gen miata. Maybe EV converted or LS swapped. I love the little pop up and down headlights 🥺 they make me happy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] coco@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Ls engine is overkill !!! You ll spin tooo much and adding extra weight to thefront will fok up the almost perfect weight distributiom Even with a turbo. 350 hp is exagerated To each their cup of tea !! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fair, there are reasons why its a "maybe". I'm not too worried about spinning though, its not a super uncommon swap for miatas so folks have given it a go before, and drifting seems like a blast. Currently drive a civic so I've not had the opportunity to try it permalink fedilink source parent [–] 8bitguy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) They look cool, but they're annoying when they get stuck. I had a couple cars with them through the years. Sadly, never a first gen Miata. I like them too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) I will drive a first gen miata. Maybe EV converted or LS swapped. I love the little pop up and down headlights 🥺 they make me happy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] coco@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Ls engine is overkill !!! You ll spin tooo much and adding extra weight to thefront will fok up the almost perfect weight distributiom Even with a turbo. 350 hp is exagerated To each their cup of tea !! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fair, there are reasons why its a "maybe". I'm not too worried about spinning though, its not a super uncommon swap for miatas so folks have given it a go before, and drifting seems like a blast. Currently drive a civic so I've not had the opportunity to try it permalink fedilink source parent [–] 8bitguy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) They look cool, but they're annoying when they get stuck. I had a couple cars with them through the years. Sadly, never a first gen Miata. I like them too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] coco@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Ls engine is overkill !!! You ll spin tooo much and adding extra weight to thefront will fok up the almost perfect weight distributiom Even with a turbo. 350 hp is exagerated To each their cup of tea !! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fair, there are reasons why its a "maybe". I'm not too worried about spinning though, its not a super uncommon swap for miatas so folks have given it a go before, and drifting seems like a blast. Currently drive a civic so I've not had the opportunity to try it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fair, there are reasons why its a "maybe". I'm not too worried about spinning though, its not a super uncommon swap for miatas so folks have given it a go before, and drifting seems like a blast. Currently drive a civic so I've not had the opportunity to try it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 8bitguy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) They look cool, but they're annoying when they get stuck. I had a couple cars with them through the years. Sadly, never a first gen Miata. I like them too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) this. My 99 forester SUV is half the size of a modern one, but is still a 5 seater with plently of space in the hatch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skizzles@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) No it's not. The dimensions are almost the same between the two... 99 Forester Length: 175.2 inches Height: 65 inches Width w/o mirrors: 68.3 inches Rim size: 16 inches 23 Forester Length: 182.7 inches Height: 68.1 inches Width w/o mirrors: 71.5 inches Rim size: 17 or 18 depending on trim They are less than 10 inches different in every aspect. I keep hearing people say cars are getting bigger bigger bigger, but they aren't. There are still plenty of normal sized cars out there. People just have this strange perception of them. Yes, in absolute fairness there are some cars that are bigger, like they do seem to be marketing larger trucks and less of the really capable small trucks like the S10 or in nowaday terms a Ford Maverick. But this whole consensus on how cars are just getting so big is a stretch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) By 'modern one' I wasn't necessarily specifying the same model but I definitely should have been more clear. It's small compared to many of the new models I see on the road. Also just comparing the totals like that isn't exactly a clean comparison. The whole car sits lower to the ground, it's actually low enough it doesn't have a "Risk of rollover" warning on the windshield. Also the design of the hood and windshield itself push further back than newer cars with sleeker designs, it's more space efficient in general, just ugly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skizzles@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Haha, I agree with you on the height difference, I have a newer one but prefer the low stance of the older ones. I do appreciate your opinion on it as it is a fair take and not to the extent that I perceived it. I just feel like people tend to generalize something that, while in some aspects is true, but not to the extent that some people express. That being said, I'd be much happier taking a train or bus provided we had better services for it. I lived in Japan for some time and I loved it, it was so easy to get anywhere and I got much more exercise out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago I'm stuck in small town nebraska unfortunately, there's no bus service, the trains shut down decades ago, and the nearest airport is an hour drive away. And most of the roads here are in disrepair, so much so that the sidewalks became lawns, you can still see the bricks of when they originally paved it 100 years ago. And forget about bike lanes, a couple of our towns are only accesible off the highway. I would kill for a bus to take me from the town over and back, it would save an hour of driving each day and lots and lots of gas money permalink fedilink source parent [–] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ten inches bigger realistically feels a LOT bigger when it comes to something like a car. If you park a first gen and last gen forester next to each other the new one looks huge in comparison. Just a few inches wider or longer can make a huge difference in how you fit into narrow streets or parking spaces. As another example, I drive a 90s Land Cruiser. By 90s standards it was a BIG full size SUV and the “small” body on frame option was a 4Runner. 94 Land Cruiser: 188x76x73 94 4Runner: 176x67x66 It’s only ~10” in each direction but the Land Cruiser looks and feels much larger. I parked next to a new 4Runner the other day and it is noticeably bigger than my Land Cruiser 2023 4Runner: 191x76x72 Meanwhile the 300 series Land Cruiser has continued to grow. 2023 Land Cruiser: 195x78x77 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skizzles@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) No it's not. The dimensions are almost the same between the two... 99 Forester Length: 175.2 inches Height: 65 inches Width w/o mirrors: 68.3 inches Rim size: 16 inches 23 Forester Length: 182.7 inches Height: 68.1 inches Width w/o mirrors: 71.5 inches Rim size: 17 or 18 depending on trim They are less than 10 inches different in every aspect. I keep hearing people say cars are getting bigger bigger bigger, but they aren't. There are still plenty of normal sized cars out there. People just have this strange perception of them. Yes, in absolute fairness there are some cars that are bigger, like they do seem to be marketing larger trucks and less of the really capable small trucks like the S10 or in nowaday terms a Ford Maverick. But this whole consensus on how cars are just getting so big is a stretch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) By 'modern one' I wasn't necessarily specifying the same model but I definitely should have been more clear. It's small compared to many of the new models I see on the road. Also just comparing the totals like that isn't exactly a clean comparison. The whole car sits lower to the ground, it's actually low enough it doesn't have a "Risk of rollover" warning on the windshield. Also the design of the hood and windshield itself push further back than newer cars with sleeker designs, it's more space efficient in general, just ugly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skizzles@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Haha, I agree with you on the height difference, I have a newer one but prefer the low stance of the older ones. I do appreciate your opinion on it as it is a fair take and not to the extent that I perceived it. I just feel like people tend to generalize something that, while in some aspects is true, but not to the extent that some people express. That being said, I'd be much happier taking a train or bus provided we had better services for it. I lived in Japan for some time and I loved it, it was so easy to get anywhere and I got much more exercise out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago I'm stuck in small town nebraska unfortunately, there's no bus service, the trains shut down decades ago, and the nearest airport is an hour drive away. And most of the roads here are in disrepair, so much so that the sidewalks became lawns, you can still see the bricks of when they originally paved it 100 years ago. And forget about bike lanes, a couple of our towns are only accesible off the highway. I would kill for a bus to take me from the town over and back, it would save an hour of driving each day and lots and lots of gas money permalink fedilink source parent [–] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ten inches bigger realistically feels a LOT bigger when it comes to something like a car. If you park a first gen and last gen forester next to each other the new one looks huge in comparison. Just a few inches wider or longer can make a huge difference in how you fit into narrow streets or parking spaces. As another example, I drive a 90s Land Cruiser. By 90s standards it was a BIG full size SUV and the “small” body on frame option was a 4Runner. 94 Land Cruiser: 188x76x73 94 4Runner: 176x67x66 It’s only ~10” in each direction but the Land Cruiser looks and feels much larger. I parked next to a new 4Runner the other day and it is noticeably bigger than my Land Cruiser 2023 4Runner: 191x76x72 Meanwhile the 300 series Land Cruiser has continued to grow. 2023 Land Cruiser: 195x78x77 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) By 'modern one' I wasn't necessarily specifying the same model but I definitely should have been more clear. It's small compared to many of the new models I see on the road. Also just comparing the totals like that isn't exactly a clean comparison. The whole car sits lower to the ground, it's actually low enough it doesn't have a "Risk of rollover" warning on the windshield. Also the design of the hood and windshield itself push further back than newer cars with sleeker designs, it's more space efficient in general, just ugly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skizzles@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Haha, I agree with you on the height difference, I have a newer one but prefer the low stance of the older ones. I do appreciate your opinion on it as it is a fair take and not to the extent that I perceived it. I just feel like people tend to generalize something that, while in some aspects is true, but not to the extent that some people express. That being said, I'd be much happier taking a train or bus provided we had better services for it. I lived in Japan for some time and I loved it, it was so easy to get anywhere and I got much more exercise out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago I'm stuck in small town nebraska unfortunately, there's no bus service, the trains shut down decades ago, and the nearest airport is an hour drive away. And most of the roads here are in disrepair, so much so that the sidewalks became lawns, you can still see the bricks of when they originally paved it 100 years ago. And forget about bike lanes, a couple of our towns are only accesible off the highway. I would kill for a bus to take me from the town over and back, it would save an hour of driving each day and lots and lots of gas money permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skizzles@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Haha, I agree with you on the height difference, I have a newer one but prefer the low stance of the older ones. I do appreciate your opinion on it as it is a fair take and not to the extent that I perceived it. I just feel like people tend to generalize something that, while in some aspects is true, but not to the extent that some people express. That being said, I'd be much happier taking a train or bus provided we had better services for it. I lived in Japan for some time and I loved it, it was so easy to get anywhere and I got much more exercise out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago I'm stuck in small town nebraska unfortunately, there's no bus service, the trains shut down decades ago, and the nearest airport is an hour drive away. And most of the roads here are in disrepair, so much so that the sidewalks became lawns, you can still see the bricks of when they originally paved it 100 years ago. And forget about bike lanes, a couple of our towns are only accesible off the highway. I would kill for a bus to take me from the town over and back, it would save an hour of driving each day and lots and lots of gas money permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago I'm stuck in small town nebraska unfortunately, there's no bus service, the trains shut down decades ago, and the nearest airport is an hour drive away. And most of the roads here are in disrepair, so much so that the sidewalks became lawns, you can still see the bricks of when they originally paved it 100 years ago. And forget about bike lanes, a couple of our towns are only accesible off the highway. I would kill for a bus to take me from the town over and back, it would save an hour of driving each day and lots and lots of gas money permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ten inches bigger realistically feels a LOT bigger when it comes to something like a car. If you park a first gen and last gen forester next to each other the new one looks huge in comparison. Just a few inches wider or longer can make a huge difference in how you fit into narrow streets or parking spaces. As another example, I drive a 90s Land Cruiser. By 90s standards it was a BIG full size SUV and the “small” body on frame option was a 4Runner. 94 Land Cruiser: 188x76x73 94 4Runner: 176x67x66 It’s only ~10” in each direction but the Land Cruiser looks and feels much larger. I parked next to a new 4Runner the other day and it is noticeably bigger than my Land Cruiser 2023 4Runner: 191x76x72 Meanwhile the 300 series Land Cruiser has continued to grow. 2023 Land Cruiser: 195x78x77 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Dreading the day my pixel 5 dies and I have to shop for something the same size permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, I think the zenphone is the only option I'm aware of with decent specs. Xperia may still have a small phone option, and I'm not sure what size fairphones have generally been but I know they're planning to release the fairphone 5 before too long. I'm still using a pixel 3 with a crap battery 🙃 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, I think the zenphone is the only option I'm aware of with decent specs. Xperia may still have a small phone option, and I'm not sure what size fairphones have generally been but I know they're planning to release the fairphone 5 before too long. I'm still using a pixel 3 with a crap battery 🙃 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) Is it a case of the market is telling you what you want cause it wants you to want what will make it money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago No it's because fuel economy regulations are higher on smaller vehicles, and less stringent on bigger vehicles. Car companies would rather make monster trucks than pay a small tax. https://youtu.be/azI3nqrHEXM permalink fedilink source parent [+] fluke@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago No it's because fuel economy regulations are higher on smaller vehicles, and less stringent on bigger vehicles. Car companies would rather make monster trucks than pay a small tax. https://youtu.be/azI3nqrHEXM permalink fedilink source parent