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[β] Vub@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (2 children) I don't get it, can someone explain? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] oce@jlai.lu 102 points 2 years ago (3 children) There seems to be an over representation of visible trans women among independent open source programers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (7 children) I have not seen a single piece of reliable evidence to show that this is true. There may be a louder minority in that specific area, but so far nothing indicates it is an actual overrepresentation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Minority, yes, but not louder if you want to see loud trans women they're there on Instagram with the rest of all the oversensitive-vulnerable narcissist personality types (subclinical but quite annoying indeed). As I see it trans folks gravitate towards general nerddom precisely because it doesn't have to do anything with sex or gender, is a refuge for people who don't really feel like they fit in with the majority. Not to dismiss the existence of sexist etc. asshats calling themselves nerds, by and large noone bats an eye if you'r AMAB but play a flirty female elf rogue in AD&D. And as far as contributing to an open source project is concerned you could be a literal cat and people would barely notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago If it was a literal cat contributing to FOSS I'd like to cuddle it and buy it old Thinkpads permalink fedilink source parent [β] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yea, n I unintentionally fked it up here too for one such person. So I was discussing solutions for a problem that I had encountered with my project on Matrix. I didn't know it then, but I was talking to a trans woman then. Now, I had a habit of "yessirrr"-ing when I was excited. So I found the solution, and in my excited state, I said "yessirrr" somewhere. She immediately corrected me by saying that it was "yes ma'am". I apologized and explained the situation. I then looked at her bio, and it had the flag and all that. She unfortunately ghosted me after that incident :(. So yeah... I've tried to have inclusive language n whatnot after that. Cuz uk... U never realise how heteronormative our language is and how not inclusive it is for many many people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Happens to the best of us. But you improved because of that so there's a silver lining. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago An overreaction to a honest 'mistake' wow. permalink fedilink source parent [β] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the main dev of Elementary OS is trans. And I think one of the devs behind Asahi Linux. There is a slight association. Not a bad thing, there are probably more examples too. But those are the ones that immediately came to mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I am aware. But that makes 2 out of how many? Look, i'm not trying to attack a group here. I'm just having the habit of calling out bullshit when i see it. That there is a larger proportion of trans people in FOSS is a myth. It's based on memes that have gotten out of control. In FOSS specifically, the opposite has been true for a long time and there has been a severe lack of diversity. That has thankfully improved a lot and the environment has now become much more colorful and has adapted to the reality of the general population. But that's all there is to it. There is no significant overrepresentation, at least I haven't found anything that would prove that. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago I've observed this over representation in graphics programming and games development as well. Now that I type it out, I wonder if it's perhaps less over representation and more, just, seeing those people, now. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Ludrol@szmer.info 10 points 2 years ago !unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone permalink fedilink source parent [β] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) have you been to an open source convention? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yes, multiple. I'm also in multiple FOSS user and developer groups. But there is no need to believe me. You can ask Github. https://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ Along other dimensions, representation is stronger: 1% of respondents identify as transgender (including 9% of women in open source), and 7% identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, or another minority sexual orientation. The proportion of the general population is 0.5 to 0.7%. So yes, it is very slightly higher, but not in the way that all the memes have been trying to portray it lately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] maynarkh@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would say programmer circles tend to be progressive as well, so some over-representation makes sense. I mean, where do we expect trans women to want to work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago It's probably more of where one can be expected to be open about not being 'normative' permalink fedilink source parent [β] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago* It seems to have become fashionable to over-hype it among younger more casual Linux users. Hence things like "Linux/Unix socks". It's quite heavily pushed in Discord servers where you'll be asked to choose whether you're a "catboy" or "femboy". It's quite irritating. Some of those 'femboys' can be quite homophobic funnily enough which is infuriating. permalink fedilink source parent [β] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago 9% of women in open source is a massive over representaion permalink fedilink source parent [β] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago While I doubt there are like scientific papers on it or anything, the reverse correlation seems to be pretty strong. I know a lot of trans women who work in tech (IT support, programming, electronics, etc). There are also plenty of memes in trans communities about how we all work in tech, especially programming. If you search for βprogramming socksβ or βUnix socksβ youβll get stripped thigh highs for instance. Now whether trans people are more likely to work in tech, or if people in tech jobs are more accepting of trans people or something else, it certainly seems like trans people have a slight affinity for tech jobs. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Overrepresention means it's in relation to something else. Compared to the rest of the internet there is for sure more trans folk in FOSS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why do you compare it to the rest of the internet and not to the rest of the tech sector or more specifically closed source development? following your logic i could just pick a random group of people and say e.g. "look, there are more trans people in FOSS than in Deep-sea fishing crews". Makes no sense. You have to compare it to something that is actually comparable. permalink fedilink source parent [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Compared to the invisible women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 7 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's not something you see everyday. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Vub@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, OK, I've never noticed that, thanks. Sounds logical, there is probably much more societal stigma in the corporate office world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerrythegenius@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cynar@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) The various "neurodiverse" communities seem to be meshing together more and more. A good chunk of them are autistic, or ADHD dominated interest groups, like FOSS, or various hobbies. It also includes the LGBT+ crowd. This mixing allows for a lot of cross pollination of ideas. The trans community hears a lot more about FOSS etc than "normals" and so are more likely to get involved. Conversely, the techies have more exposure to alternative lifestyles. Some, who would traditionally do all they could to fit in, now are willing to show off/become who they really are. The community meshing also helps by its supportive nature. Most NDs have experienced being the outsider to society. The nature of the cause is often very different, but the effects are similar. This makes the community particularly accepting of differences, as well as people experimenting with change. Basically, all the weirdos got together and realised "Apes together, Strong!". We are now running with it more and more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) A good chunk of them are autistic, or ADHD dominated interest groups, like FOSS, or various hobbies. It also includes the LGBT+ crowd. I call bullshit on that. There may be a slightly more than average representation (maybe not even that) but i have not seen even a single robust proof that indicates it is a "good chunk". This whole FOSS and LGBT+ or autistic or whatever is a meme, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Literally what the fuck are you talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Where on Earth did you get the idea that this is happening? Put it back there please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent [+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* No we're not all trans the rest of us are furry femboys. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Bull205@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Account is less than 1 day old. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] oce@jlai.lu 102 points 2 years ago (3 children) There seems to be an over representation of visible trans women among independent open source programers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (7 children) I have not seen a single piece of reliable evidence to show that this is true. There may be a louder minority in that specific area, but so far nothing indicates it is an actual overrepresentation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Minority, yes, but not louder if you want to see loud trans women they're there on Instagram with the rest of all the oversensitive-vulnerable narcissist personality types (subclinical but quite annoying indeed). As I see it trans folks gravitate towards general nerddom precisely because it doesn't have to do anything with sex or gender, is a refuge for people who don't really feel like they fit in with the majority. Not to dismiss the existence of sexist etc. asshats calling themselves nerds, by and large noone bats an eye if you'r AMAB but play a flirty female elf rogue in AD&D. And as far as contributing to an open source project is concerned you could be a literal cat and people would barely notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago If it was a literal cat contributing to FOSS I'd like to cuddle it and buy it old Thinkpads permalink fedilink source parent [β] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yea, n I unintentionally fked it up here too for one such person. So I was discussing solutions for a problem that I had encountered with my project on Matrix. I didn't know it then, but I was talking to a trans woman then. Now, I had a habit of "yessirrr"-ing when I was excited. So I found the solution, and in my excited state, I said "yessirrr" somewhere. She immediately corrected me by saying that it was "yes ma'am". I apologized and explained the situation. I then looked at her bio, and it had the flag and all that. She unfortunately ghosted me after that incident :(. So yeah... I've tried to have inclusive language n whatnot after that. Cuz uk... U never realise how heteronormative our language is and how not inclusive it is for many many people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Happens to the best of us. But you improved because of that so there's a silver lining. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago An overreaction to a honest 'mistake' wow. permalink fedilink source parent [β] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the main dev of Elementary OS is trans. And I think one of the devs behind Asahi Linux. There is a slight association. Not a bad thing, there are probably more examples too. But those are the ones that immediately came to mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I am aware. But that makes 2 out of how many? Look, i'm not trying to attack a group here. I'm just having the habit of calling out bullshit when i see it. That there is a larger proportion of trans people in FOSS is a myth. It's based on memes that have gotten out of control. In FOSS specifically, the opposite has been true for a long time and there has been a severe lack of diversity. That has thankfully improved a lot and the environment has now become much more colorful and has adapted to the reality of the general population. But that's all there is to it. There is no significant overrepresentation, at least I haven't found anything that would prove that. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago I've observed this over representation in graphics programming and games development as well. Now that I type it out, I wonder if it's perhaps less over representation and more, just, seeing those people, now. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Ludrol@szmer.info 10 points 2 years ago !unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone permalink fedilink source parent [β] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) have you been to an open source convention? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yes, multiple. I'm also in multiple FOSS user and developer groups. But there is no need to believe me. You can ask Github. https://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ Along other dimensions, representation is stronger: 1% of respondents identify as transgender (including 9% of women in open source), and 7% identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, or another minority sexual orientation. The proportion of the general population is 0.5 to 0.7%. So yes, it is very slightly higher, but not in the way that all the memes have been trying to portray it lately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] maynarkh@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would say programmer circles tend to be progressive as well, so some over-representation makes sense. I mean, where do we expect trans women to want to work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago It's probably more of where one can be expected to be open about not being 'normative' permalink fedilink source parent [β] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago* It seems to have become fashionable to over-hype it among younger more casual Linux users. Hence things like "Linux/Unix socks". It's quite heavily pushed in Discord servers where you'll be asked to choose whether you're a "catboy" or "femboy". It's quite irritating. Some of those 'femboys' can be quite homophobic funnily enough which is infuriating. permalink fedilink source parent [β] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago 9% of women in open source is a massive over representaion permalink fedilink source parent [β] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago While I doubt there are like scientific papers on it or anything, the reverse correlation seems to be pretty strong. I know a lot of trans women who work in tech (IT support, programming, electronics, etc). There are also plenty of memes in trans communities about how we all work in tech, especially programming. If you search for βprogramming socksβ or βUnix socksβ youβll get stripped thigh highs for instance. Now whether trans people are more likely to work in tech, or if people in tech jobs are more accepting of trans people or something else, it certainly seems like trans people have a slight affinity for tech jobs. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Overrepresention means it's in relation to something else. Compared to the rest of the internet there is for sure more trans folk in FOSS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why do you compare it to the rest of the internet and not to the rest of the tech sector or more specifically closed source development? following your logic i could just pick a random group of people and say e.g. "look, there are more trans people in FOSS than in Deep-sea fishing crews". Makes no sense. You have to compare it to something that is actually comparable. permalink fedilink source parent [β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Compared to the invisible women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 7 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's not something you see everyday. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Vub@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, OK, I've never noticed that, thanks. Sounds logical, there is probably much more societal stigma in the corporate office world. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Metz@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (7 children) I have not seen a single piece of reliable evidence to show that this is true. There may be a louder minority in that specific area, but so far nothing indicates it is an actual overrepresentation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Minority, yes, but not louder if you want to see loud trans women they're there on Instagram with the rest of all the oversensitive-vulnerable narcissist personality types (subclinical but quite annoying indeed). As I see it trans folks gravitate towards general nerddom precisely because it doesn't have to do anything with sex or gender, is a refuge for people who don't really feel like they fit in with the majority. Not to dismiss the existence of sexist etc. asshats calling themselves nerds, by and large noone bats an eye if you'r AMAB but play a flirty female elf rogue in AD&D. And as far as contributing to an open source project is concerned you could be a literal cat and people would barely notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago If it was a literal cat contributing to FOSS I'd like to cuddle it and buy it old Thinkpads permalink fedilink source parent [β] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yea, n I unintentionally fked it up here too for one such person. So I was discussing solutions for a problem that I had encountered with my project on Matrix. I didn't know it then, but I was talking to a trans woman then. Now, I had a habit of "yessirrr"-ing when I was excited. So I found the solution, and in my excited state, I said "yessirrr" somewhere. She immediately corrected me by saying that it was "yes ma'am". I apologized and explained the situation. I then looked at her bio, and it had the flag and all that. She unfortunately ghosted me after that incident :(. So yeah... I've tried to have inclusive language n whatnot after that. Cuz uk... U never realise how heteronormative our language is and how not inclusive it is for many many people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Happens to the best of us. But you improved because of that so there's a silver lining. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago An overreaction to a honest 'mistake' wow. permalink fedilink source parent [β] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the main dev of Elementary OS is trans. And I think one of the devs behind Asahi Linux. There is a slight association. Not a bad thing, there are probably more examples too. But those are the ones that immediately came to mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I am aware. But that makes 2 out of how many? Look, i'm not trying to attack a group here. I'm just having the habit of calling out bullshit when i see it. That there is a larger proportion of trans people in FOSS is a myth. It's based on memes that have gotten out of control. In FOSS specifically, the opposite has been true for a long time and there has been a severe lack of diversity. That has thankfully improved a lot and the environment has now become much more colorful and has adapted to the reality of the general population. But that's all there is to it. There is no significant overrepresentation, at least I haven't found anything that would prove that. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago I've observed this over representation in graphics programming and games development as well. Now that I type it out, I wonder if it's perhaps less over representation and more, just, seeing those people, now. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Ludrol@szmer.info 10 points 2 years ago !unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone permalink fedilink source parent [β] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) have you been to an open source convention? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yes, multiple. I'm also in multiple FOSS user and developer groups. But there is no need to believe me. You can ask Github. https://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ Along other dimensions, representation is stronger: 1% of respondents identify as transgender (including 9% of women in open source), and 7% identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, or another minority sexual orientation. The proportion of the general population is 0.5 to 0.7%. So yes, it is very slightly higher, but not in the way that all the memes have been trying to portray it lately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] maynarkh@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would say programmer circles tend to be progressive as well, so some over-representation makes sense. I mean, where do we expect trans women to want to work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago It's probably more of where one can be expected to be open about not being 'normative' permalink fedilink source parent [β] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago* It seems to have become fashionable to over-hype it among younger more casual Linux users. Hence things like "Linux/Unix socks". It's quite heavily pushed in Discord servers where you'll be asked to choose whether you're a "catboy" or "femboy". It's quite irritating. Some of those 'femboys' can be quite homophobic funnily enough which is infuriating. permalink fedilink source parent [β] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago 9% of women in open source is a massive over representaion permalink fedilink source parent [β] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago While I doubt there are like scientific papers on it or anything, the reverse correlation seems to be pretty strong. I know a lot of trans women who work in tech (IT support, programming, electronics, etc). There are also plenty of memes in trans communities about how we all work in tech, especially programming. If you search for βprogramming socksβ or βUnix socksβ youβll get stripped thigh highs for instance. Now whether trans people are more likely to work in tech, or if people in tech jobs are more accepting of trans people or something else, it certainly seems like trans people have a slight affinity for tech jobs. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Overrepresention means it's in relation to something else. Compared to the rest of the internet there is for sure more trans folk in FOSS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why do you compare it to the rest of the internet and not to the rest of the tech sector or more specifically closed source development? following your logic i could just pick a random group of people and say e.g. "look, there are more trans people in FOSS than in Deep-sea fishing crews". Makes no sense. You have to compare it to something that is actually comparable. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] barsoap@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Minority, yes, but not louder if you want to see loud trans women they're there on Instagram with the rest of all the oversensitive-vulnerable narcissist personality types (subclinical but quite annoying indeed). As I see it trans folks gravitate towards general nerddom precisely because it doesn't have to do anything with sex or gender, is a refuge for people who don't really feel like they fit in with the majority. Not to dismiss the existence of sexist etc. asshats calling themselves nerds, by and large noone bats an eye if you'r AMAB but play a flirty female elf rogue in AD&D. And as far as contributing to an open source project is concerned you could be a literal cat and people would barely notice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago If it was a literal cat contributing to FOSS I'd like to cuddle it and buy it old Thinkpads permalink fedilink source parent [β] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yea, n I unintentionally fked it up here too for one such person. So I was discussing solutions for a problem that I had encountered with my project on Matrix. I didn't know it then, but I was talking to a trans woman then. Now, I had a habit of "yessirrr"-ing when I was excited. So I found the solution, and in my excited state, I said "yessirrr" somewhere. She immediately corrected me by saying that it was "yes ma'am". I apologized and explained the situation. I then looked at her bio, and it had the flag and all that. She unfortunately ghosted me after that incident :(. So yeah... I've tried to have inclusive language n whatnot after that. Cuz uk... U never realise how heteronormative our language is and how not inclusive it is for many many people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Happens to the best of us. But you improved because of that so there's a silver lining. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago An overreaction to a honest 'mistake' wow. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago If it was a literal cat contributing to FOSS I'd like to cuddle it and buy it old Thinkpads permalink fedilink source parent
[β] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yea, n I unintentionally fked it up here too for one such person. So I was discussing solutions for a problem that I had encountered with my project on Matrix. I didn't know it then, but I was talking to a trans woman then. Now, I had a habit of "yessirrr"-ing when I was excited. So I found the solution, and in my excited state, I said "yessirrr" somewhere. She immediately corrected me by saying that it was "yes ma'am". I apologized and explained the situation. I then looked at her bio, and it had the flag and all that. She unfortunately ghosted me after that incident :(. So yeah... I've tried to have inclusive language n whatnot after that. Cuz uk... U never realise how heteronormative our language is and how not inclusive it is for many many people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Happens to the best of us. But you improved because of that so there's a silver lining. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago An overreaction to a honest 'mistake' wow. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Happens to the best of us. But you improved because of that so there's a silver lining. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago An overreaction to a honest 'mistake' wow. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't mean to be disrespectful, but the main dev of Elementary OS is trans. And I think one of the devs behind Asahi Linux. There is a slight association. Not a bad thing, there are probably more examples too. But those are the ones that immediately came to mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I am aware. But that makes 2 out of how many? Look, i'm not trying to attack a group here. I'm just having the habit of calling out bullshit when i see it. That there is a larger proportion of trans people in FOSS is a myth. It's based on memes that have gotten out of control. In FOSS specifically, the opposite has been true for a long time and there has been a severe lack of diversity. That has thankfully improved a lot and the environment has now become much more colorful and has adapted to the reality of the general population. But that's all there is to it. There is no significant overrepresentation, at least I haven't found anything that would prove that. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Metz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago I am aware. But that makes 2 out of how many? Look, i'm not trying to attack a group here. I'm just having the habit of calling out bullshit when i see it. That there is a larger proportion of trans people in FOSS is a myth. It's based on memes that have gotten out of control. In FOSS specifically, the opposite has been true for a long time and there has been a severe lack of diversity. That has thankfully improved a lot and the environment has now become much more colorful and has adapted to the reality of the general population. But that's all there is to it. There is no significant overrepresentation, at least I haven't found anything that would prove that. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago I've observed this over representation in graphics programming and games development as well. Now that I type it out, I wonder if it's perhaps less over representation and more, just, seeing those people, now. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ludrol@szmer.info 10 points 2 years ago !unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone permalink fedilink source parent
[β] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) have you been to an open source convention? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yes, multiple. I'm also in multiple FOSS user and developer groups. But there is no need to believe me. You can ask Github. https://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ Along other dimensions, representation is stronger: 1% of respondents identify as transgender (including 9% of women in open source), and 7% identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, or another minority sexual orientation. The proportion of the general population is 0.5 to 0.7%. So yes, it is very slightly higher, but not in the way that all the memes have been trying to portray it lately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] maynarkh@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would say programmer circles tend to be progressive as well, so some over-representation makes sense. I mean, where do we expect trans women to want to work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago It's probably more of where one can be expected to be open about not being 'normative' permalink fedilink source parent [β] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago* It seems to have become fashionable to over-hype it among younger more casual Linux users. Hence things like "Linux/Unix socks". It's quite heavily pushed in Discord servers where you'll be asked to choose whether you're a "catboy" or "femboy". It's quite irritating. Some of those 'femboys' can be quite homophobic funnily enough which is infuriating. permalink fedilink source parent [β] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago 9% of women in open source is a massive over representaion permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Metz@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) Yes, multiple. I'm also in multiple FOSS user and developer groups. But there is no need to believe me. You can ask Github. https://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ Along other dimensions, representation is stronger: 1% of respondents identify as transgender (including 9% of women in open source), and 7% identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, or another minority sexual orientation. The proportion of the general population is 0.5 to 0.7%. So yes, it is very slightly higher, but not in the way that all the memes have been trying to portray it lately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] maynarkh@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would say programmer circles tend to be progressive as well, so some over-representation makes sense. I mean, where do we expect trans women to want to work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago It's probably more of where one can be expected to be open about not being 'normative' permalink fedilink source parent [β] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago* It seems to have become fashionable to over-hype it among younger more casual Linux users. Hence things like "Linux/Unix socks". It's quite heavily pushed in Discord servers where you'll be asked to choose whether you're a "catboy" or "femboy". It's quite irritating. Some of those 'femboys' can be quite homophobic funnily enough which is infuriating. permalink fedilink source parent [β] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago 9% of women in open source is a massive over representaion permalink fedilink source parent
[β] maynarkh@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would say programmer circles tend to be progressive as well, so some over-representation makes sense. I mean, where do we expect trans women to want to work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago It's probably more of where one can be expected to be open about not being 'normative' permalink fedilink source parent
[β] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago It's probably more of where one can be expected to be open about not being 'normative' permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 9 points 2 years ago* It seems to have become fashionable to over-hype it among younger more casual Linux users. Hence things like "Linux/Unix socks". It's quite heavily pushed in Discord servers where you'll be asked to choose whether you're a "catboy" or "femboy". It's quite irritating. Some of those 'femboys' can be quite homophobic funnily enough which is infuriating. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago 9% of women in open source is a massive over representaion permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago While I doubt there are like scientific papers on it or anything, the reverse correlation seems to be pretty strong. I know a lot of trans women who work in tech (IT support, programming, electronics, etc). There are also plenty of memes in trans communities about how we all work in tech, especially programming. If you search for βprogramming socksβ or βUnix socksβ youβll get stripped thigh highs for instance. Now whether trans people are more likely to work in tech, or if people in tech jobs are more accepting of trans people or something else, it certainly seems like trans people have a slight affinity for tech jobs. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Overrepresention means it's in relation to something else. Compared to the rest of the internet there is for sure more trans folk in FOSS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why do you compare it to the rest of the internet and not to the rest of the tech sector or more specifically closed source development? following your logic i could just pick a random group of people and say e.g. "look, there are more trans people in FOSS than in Deep-sea fishing crews". Makes no sense. You have to compare it to something that is actually comparable. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Metz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why do you compare it to the rest of the internet and not to the rest of the tech sector or more specifically closed source development? following your logic i could just pick a random group of people and say e.g. "look, there are more trans people in FOSS than in Deep-sea fishing crews". Makes no sense. You have to compare it to something that is actually comparable. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Compared to the invisible women permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 7 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's not something you see everyday. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 7 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's not something you see everyday. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Vub@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, OK, I've never noticed that, thanks. Sounds logical, there is probably much more societal stigma in the corporate office world. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jerrythegenius@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cynar@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) The various "neurodiverse" communities seem to be meshing together more and more. A good chunk of them are autistic, or ADHD dominated interest groups, like FOSS, or various hobbies. It also includes the LGBT+ crowd. This mixing allows for a lot of cross pollination of ideas. The trans community hears a lot more about FOSS etc than "normals" and so are more likely to get involved. Conversely, the techies have more exposure to alternative lifestyles. Some, who would traditionally do all they could to fit in, now are willing to show off/become who they really are. The community meshing also helps by its supportive nature. Most NDs have experienced being the outsider to society. The nature of the cause is often very different, but the effects are similar. This makes the community particularly accepting of differences, as well as people experimenting with change. Basically, all the weirdos got together and realised "Apes together, Strong!". We are now running with it more and more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) A good chunk of them are autistic, or ADHD dominated interest groups, like FOSS, or various hobbies. It also includes the LGBT+ crowd. I call bullshit on that. There may be a slightly more than average representation (maybe not even that) but i have not seen even a single robust proof that indicates it is a "good chunk". This whole FOSS and LGBT+ or autistic or whatever is a meme, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Literally what the fuck are you talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Where on Earth did you get the idea that this is happening? Put it back there please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent [+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* No we're not all trans the rest of us are furry femboys. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Bull205@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Account is less than 1 day old. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cynar@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) The various "neurodiverse" communities seem to be meshing together more and more. A good chunk of them are autistic, or ADHD dominated interest groups, like FOSS, or various hobbies. It also includes the LGBT+ crowd. This mixing allows for a lot of cross pollination of ideas. The trans community hears a lot more about FOSS etc than "normals" and so are more likely to get involved. Conversely, the techies have more exposure to alternative lifestyles. Some, who would traditionally do all they could to fit in, now are willing to show off/become who they really are. The community meshing also helps by its supportive nature. Most NDs have experienced being the outsider to society. The nature of the cause is often very different, but the effects are similar. This makes the community particularly accepting of differences, as well as people experimenting with change. Basically, all the weirdos got together and realised "Apes together, Strong!". We are now running with it more and more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Metz@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) A good chunk of them are autistic, or ADHD dominated interest groups, like FOSS, or various hobbies. It also includes the LGBT+ crowd. I call bullshit on that. There may be a slightly more than average representation (maybe not even that) but i have not seen even a single robust proof that indicates it is a "good chunk". This whole FOSS and LGBT+ or autistic or whatever is a meme, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Literally what the fuck are you talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Where on Earth did you get the idea that this is happening? Put it back there please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent [+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* No we're not all trans the rest of us are furry femboys. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Bull205@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Account is less than 1 day old. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Metz@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) A good chunk of them are autistic, or ADHD dominated interest groups, like FOSS, or various hobbies. It also includes the LGBT+ crowd. I call bullshit on that. There may be a slightly more than average representation (maybe not even that) but i have not seen even a single robust proof that indicates it is a "good chunk". This whole FOSS and LGBT+ or autistic or whatever is a meme, nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Literally what the fuck are you talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Where on Earth did you get the idea that this is happening? Put it back there please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent [+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* No we're not all trans the rest of us are furry femboys. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Bull205@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Account is less than 1 day old. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] hightime@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Literally what the fuck are you talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Where on Earth did you get the idea that this is happening? Put it back there please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent [+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* No we're not all trans the rest of us are furry femboys. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Bull205@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Account is less than 1 day old. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Literally what the fuck are you talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Where on Earth did you get the idea that this is happening? Put it back there please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent [+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* No we're not all trans the rest of us are furry femboys. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] hightime@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Where on Earth did you get the idea that this is happening? Put it back there please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent [+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent [β] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* No we're not all trans the rest of us are furry femboys. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Where on Earth did you get the idea that this is happening? Put it back there please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent [+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I bet it's the same place as the Overton window π permalink fedilink source parent
[+] hightime@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago Please tell me you're trolling. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* No we're not all trans the rest of us are furry femboys. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bull205@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Account is less than 1 day old. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hightime@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent