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US's Blinken says no to any Ukraine peace deal that doesn't include total Russian withdrawal (apnews.com)
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“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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[–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Supporting Ukraine is the only U.S. military action since WW2 that I can truly support. Even our action in response to 9/11 was fucked up.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    This has been a major reality check for me personally. For years I shook my head at the gargantuan US military budget thinking it's ridiculous. Fast forward to February 2022 and I realize it's the US once again cleaning up when Europe shits the bed. Ashamed, thankful and thoroughly convinced we need to spend a whole lot more in defense as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Idk about all that. The US has supported Ukraine and I support that. But Europe has stepped up to the plate too. While US refused to provide long range HIMARS, UK provided Storm Shadow. Poland has donated about all it has. Realistically, the US could drastically reduce it's defense spending, provide all the support Ukraine could want, and still maintain the largest military force by a large margin.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Well that's what I'm saying. European countries are giving all they've got to give while the US hardly breaks a sweat, yet the US provides a disproportionately large amount compared to the rest. Europe would be in a lot more trouble without the US, once again.

    And I agree the UK deserves a lot of credit for pushing the envelope with tanks and long range and being the security provider for Sweden and Finland during the application process.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Amazing that you understand that your country has consistently been on the wrong side of history since WW2, but also believe this this is the first time it's not.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    What's wrong with helping a country defend itself from invasion by imperial warmongers?

    And to be clear, yes, I am calling Russia imperial warmongers. They have been actively invading neighboring countries for decades to expand themselves. And what is an empire if not a nation built on the conquest of other countries?

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago

    What's wrong is your framing. The US is an imperial warmonger and they created the conditions for a proxy war, which Russia engaged with. Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the proxy war with the US. Claiming that the US is just helping Ukraine with its war against Russia is completely misunderstanding what's actually happening.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    That is absolutely not what the west is doing. Ukraine is being used as a proxy to weaken Russia using the formula that RAND outlined here. All the west is accomplishing is prolonging the conflict and it will not change the outcome. Anybody who thinks this is being done for the benefit of Ukraine is absolutely delusional.

    Maybe people living in the west should focus on stopping their empire from conquering countries before getting on their high horse.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Nah, I prefer to stop countries from annexing pieces of other countries.

    The US hasn't annexed anything since 1959, and I was born too late to stop that. But Russia can't help itself, and even gives youngsters a chance to oppose annexation.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe you should figure out how to stop your own regime from invading countries before playing world police then. US is literally occupying part of Syria as we speak. Just how ignorant are you exactly?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    There are far more Russian troops in Syria. I choose the lesser evil.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The legitimate government of Syria invited Russia to help it defend itself against the US regime, but do go on.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    And how much Syrian land has been annexed to the US?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Around a third of a country including major food and oil producing regions. Are you in a cave where google isn't available?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Huh, I didn't realize that we had a 51st state. Who is the new governor?

    Wait, I just looked at a map. It turns out the US borders haven't changed. Are in you in a cave where the definition of "annexation" is unavailable?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It's really sad how duped American citizens are here. They truly believe that when changing their bio pics to a Ukraine Flag that they're doing something. They believe their government has the best interest of Ukraine while what they're actually supporting is their government using Ukrainian bodies to weaken an adversary under the guise of defense. No one learned anything after Iraq, it was mere MONTHS ago that liberals were giving BUSH praise! They don't care about Abu Ghraib or what happened in Guantanamo Bay. A lot of people here are in for a rough awakening.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (3 children)

    I'm confused. Do you think Russia taking Ukraine by force is what's best for Ukraine? Do you think their people are volunteering to fight because they just don't know what's best for them? Even if Ukrainians wanted to maintain independence out of some misguided patriotism, isn't it their right as a sovereign nation to decide that?

    From the US perspective, Ukraine wanted to join NATO, aligning themselves with us. Then Russia invaded. If the US didn't support Ukraine, the world would know they can prevent a weaker country from joining NATO by invading. After Iraq and Afghanistan, there's no desire to send US troops but we can provide weapons and intelligence.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    Weapons, intelligence and Ukrainian bodies are an extremely cheap deal to weaken an adversary, don't you think?

    When it comes to wanting oil though, US and Iraqi bodies aren't so important. As long as you can dupe your own citizens into believing there's WMD's, it doesn't matter.

    And of course Ukraine knows what's best for them. That's why they keep asking for a roadmap to NATO but the US is like "Nah" - https://www.ft.com/content/c37ed22d-e0e4-4b03-972e-c56af8a36d2e

    So of course they're left to negotiate. Again, the US Government doesn't care but their citizens think they do.

    The US is against peace if it doesn't get more money to the military–industrial complex or if it doesn't weaken an adversary, like in this case.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago

    I personally don't think it's going to matter much for the average Ukrainian, as far as who controls their resources. I think it's a tragedy that they're fighting or dying over whether it's Russian oligarchs or western oligarchs who will get to control their lives

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    The people of Ukraine have told the world what their best interest is: removing Russian soldiers from their land, by force if necessary.

    The US is only interested in Ukraine when their goals align. Everyone knows this, including most Americans and most Ukrainians.

    However, it turns out that US and Ukrainian goals do, in fact, align. The US isn't "using" Ukraine any more than Ukraine is "using" the US. They are openly cooperating to achieve a common interest.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The Ukrainian people are being kidnapped off the street and sent to die by the regime US installed in Ukraine after overthrowing a democratically elected government. Most Ukrainians don't want to have a war and have their lives destroyed. The only people who want this war are ghouls living in the west who aren't personally affected by it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Tankies can always be counted on to project the worst in themselves.

    There are hundreds of thousands of Russians in Georgia and Kazakhstan who can explain which side is kidnapping young men off the street and sending them to die for a war they care nothing about. Meanwhile, opinion polls of Ukrainians consistently show that an overwhelming majority want to continue the war until Russians are defeated.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    We have plenty of video evidence of this happening in Ukraine, but whatever you say my little dronie. And yeah, opinion polls mean so much in a country that's now effectively a military dictatorship.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    Americans are subject to the best propaganda machine that money can buy, and people running the regime are certainly getting their money's worth.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Russia was also on the wrong side of history since WW2. When two losers face off, logically one or the other must break their losing streak.

    And as it turns out, the US gets the win. Congratulations.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It wasn't, and if you think US is winning anything here then you're completely delusional. Life is going to get really hard for you in the coming years.

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