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McConnell on Ukraine proxy war: "We haven’t lost a single American in this war. Most of the money that we spend, is spent on replenishing weapons, so it’s actually employing people here."[paraphrased] (edition.cnn.com)
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Mitch McConell says the quiet part out loud.

Exact full quote from CNN:

“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/4085063

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[–] 3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

The US obviously doesn't care but the aid is helping Ukraine keep it's independence and even if US pulled out Europe would continue it's support. Like Poland is amping up ammo production to the point where it alone can supply Ukraine with ammo. Ex-soviet countries fucking hate Russia for a good reason. Also even if Ukraine got no support it's not like they would stop fighting, they would just be slaughtered and occupied by the Russians which is the worst outcome for them considering what's going on in the occupied regions. Like for once the US military is not doing something completely morally reprehensible and is actually opposing imperialism for once, that's a good thing.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Ex-soviet countries fucking hate Russia for a good reason

    No, they really don't have a good reason bugs-stalin

    Like for once the US military is not doing something completely morally reprehensible and is actually opposing imperialism for once, that's a good thing.

    doubt are you really that gullible?

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (2 children)
    • Ukraine isn't independent, they got coup'ed by US-backed Nazis and libs and they're now a vassal or the US empire.
    • Most European countries would immediately follow the US, as they always do.
    • The whole of NATO cannot send enough arms right now, and you think Poland can do it all on its own soon? What are you on about?
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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    🤡

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children)
    1. No they didn't. Their president made a play to become a dictator and failed. Any support for euromaidan outside Ukraine happened after.
    2. Maybe Germany but no earthly force can stop support from the baltics and Poland that hate Russia with a passion due to their bloody rule during the soviet occupation and current antagonism from Russia.
    3. They can't send enough arms that Ukraine can use. More modern stuff requires training Ukraine doesn't have and most places aren't producing old equipment so what's sent is stuff is stockpile. More training is being done to modernize the equipment but that takes time. Also Poland just wants to produce the ammo, not everything and it was just one example.
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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I don't know where you're from, but I think you also "hate hate Russia with a passion" and it's clouding your judgement, because you live in some alternate reality if you believe all that.

    There's an old clip of Nuland where she says the US spent 5 billion dollars promoting democracy in Ukraine. There's also the famous "Fuck the EU" clip of her deciding who's going to be PM before the coup even happened. Then there's her and lots of other western politicians on stage at the Maidan. McCain famously shook hands with a Nazi leader on there.

    Can you imagine what you would say if all these things were done by Russia instead of the US?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I have seen both clips. The 5 billion was over like 30 years as foreign aid which is like pretty common for the US, there are like 50 other countries that also receive aid like this. And the other one I know is when Nuland 'selected' their next leader who was the leader of the opposition who would have been in power anyways.

    All those politicians showed up after it happeded as I said.

    You can also verify the laws Yanukovych was trying to pass. They pretty obviously are meant to turn him into the dictator of Ukraine. I would protest that.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    The 5 billion was over like 30 years as foreign aid which is like pretty common for the US, there are like 50 other countries that also receive aid like this.

    Well that's fine then I guess. The US "aids" pro-US political groups with billions of dollars everywhere! How nice.

    All those politicians showed up after it happeded as I said.

    There are pictures of them on the Maidan. Before the coup. News articles in the western press. What is this kindergarten? Do you have no object permanence?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    The US “aids” pro-US political groups with billions of dollars everywhere! How nice.

    Yes but what if this time the US didn't want something out of it? If the US did want something out of it there would be evidence of it, surely? Like a website for privatising Ukrainian assets? Or IMF reports explaining how half the loans were given to pay off the previous ones until Ukraine dismantled it's manufacturing industries, military capabilities, and devalued it's currency? Or, I don't know, an article like the one in the OP that quotes someone explaining the US is only involved to quell dissent about it's failing economy among it's domestic workers.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    the baltics

    I've lived in cities with a much larger population than all of the Baltics. What, exactly, are three medium sized suburbs going to do against Russia?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Have an actual military instead of a meat grinder disguised as one.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    Wait did you just said Baltics have actual military? Compared to... Russia? All of them combined have less that 50000 active military personnel with pretty weak armament and basically nonexisting navy and airforce (all three combined have literally zero combat airplanes).

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Sorry to break it down to you but if your safety DEPENDS from foreign weapon aids, you're anything but independent.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    More independant than an annexed country.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Goalpost:moved

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    That was kind of a joke as there are like 5 countries who produce all their weapons locally.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Goalpost:moved again

    He said Ukraine's safety depends on foreign weapon aids

    Other nations buy weapons. Ukraine only exists as long as it can continue to successfully beg for weapons.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    You sure do like your goalposts...

    I'm pretty sure the US at least is providing weapons in the form of a loan so they are buying their weapons too.

    Also begging for weapons seems a bit more dignified than having your army steal washing machines and build the electronics of your equipment out of those.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    your army steal washing machines and build the electronics of your equipment out of those.

    Wait you still believe that was a real thing? It was projection. Missile and drones don't need super powerful chips and China makes anything they do need.

    You must not be following the war very closely. Russia is firing dozens of missiles and hundreds of suicide drones every week and the volume keeps rising.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    They are calling their cannon fodder suicide drones now? That's pretty fucked up even for Russia, more honest than normal at least.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Also begging for weapons seems a bit more dignified than having your army steal washing machines and build the electronics of your equipment out of those.

    How do Liberals square off the fact that Russia is outproducing America and EU for war equipment with this insane washing machine myth? How many washing machines are in Russia and Ukraine anyway? Must be a lot if they're kicking NATO's ass while still relying on them for parts data-laughing

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Remind me, which Russian unit goes by "Збройні сили України"?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Hmm, not drunk enough or poorly equipped enough to be Russian troops, i guess they are saving this poor washing machine from Russian control.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    No it cant all of nato cant support ukraine with ammo. That is nonsense.

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