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and when it sucks, devs get all credit (discuss.tchncs.de)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/programmerhumor@lemmy.ml
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source: https://twitter.com/wagslane/status/1637910671781404673

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a girl is smiling in front of the camera, not directly looking at it. in front of her is a big cake. the text on her reads, "PM showing off latest features"
just on the left and a little behind is a guy, out of focus, blankly staring at the cake. the text on him reads, "dev getting 0 credit"

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[–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Yes, it's fun when you make an estimate and planning for the lastest sale and it turned out the three weeks sold is three months of work. No, I don't care what you promised, it'll be ready in three months. Ask for an estimate before you make that promise next time.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We've decoupled timelines from estimates almost entirely and to the ire of all our sales and C-Level only give out Quarter based estimates anymore. "End of Q3 or early Q4". When we deliver mid Q3, everyone is happy. The funny bit is that since we've made these changes, we've not noticed any drop in client interest at all. What we do notice is that we actually ship what we promise (sometimes even more). We also don't have clients who think we'll do 10 hours of work for free anymore, because we've anchored the value of every little bit we do properly. We also filter the stingy clients who are completely pointless and are just wasting our time, while engaged with our competitors.

    There's a lot, a looooot of FOMO in sales on the side of our own sales people. So they lowball their shit to make sure we close. Then we can't keep what's promised and nobody is happy and contracts that would only be profitable after like 3 years don't get renewed and we lose a client. Great stuff. Then try and get them back after a shitty experience like that.

    The mind boggles.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    As a sales guy myself by training and tech sales by profession that sounds very much like there are some very fucked incentive structures at play that need to be addressed. If they're only monitored on number of deals closed then you get shit like that trying to meet targets and get the bonus that is extremely standard in the sales profession and account for a large share of the yearly salary. If they're measured on profitability then you wouldn't see that, they'd drop stingy clients themselves for wasting their time. Another solution I've seen is having a larger bonus for customer satisfaction and renewals / growing the contract but that only really works out if your sales also doubles as account managers.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Possibly. It's entirely opaque where I work. I have no clue how they're compensated whatsoever. We managed to fix it for the most part. I like the customer satisfaction approach via renewals as a target. Especially since you can basically give that to everyone involved on the project. Then again, some customers are dissatisfied as a policy. Worked with some miserable folk who always communicated in a horrible, horrible way but kept renewing and never balked at the cost. It was simply a "you're a service provider, you're beneath us" thing. Some people truly suck.

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