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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 198 points 2 years ago (6 children) My parents: "Adoption is amoral. Those children come from godless families." My sister can't have kids, adopts two. My parents: "Adoption is God's way of making sure every child can grow up in a loving home." permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤢 As someone who just went through a very lengthy adoption process to rescue my niece and nephew from the system, that first line makes me feel extra sick. How the fuck can you be so full of nastiness towards parentless children who got into the system through life circumstances they couldn't possibly help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Well it probably happened to you because you are a sinner or smth. That is how they think. Religion is a cancer on society. All religion. You cannot changemty mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My only real argument against it is that religion often isn’t the reason for the views; It’s simply the cudgel being used to attack the “others”. People who aren’t already predisposed to racism, sexism, classism, etc likely won’t embrace those parts of religion. If they do end up being religious, they’ll land in the more liberal sects, like Unitarians/universalists… But if someone is already predisposed to that bigoted mindset, religion will absolutely be used to justify it. Because the views of some 3000 year old goat herders is apparently meant to apply to modern society. It’s a sort of chicken and egg situation, where it’s hard to say whether or not religion is causing the fucked up worldviews, or if it’s simply a phenomenon of people seeking out a religion that confirms their own worldviews. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Smokeydope@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest is a cancer on society. ftfy People are afraid of dying and what may or may not come after, so we make up comforting narratives to ease the existential dread. And those narratives double as a cultural identity marker to make people feel special and in a community. I would be okay if it just stopped there. Where most religions here in the west go wrong for me is the constant threats of eternal damnation if you aren't part of the club, like the concept of hell and eternal punishment for finite usually-not-that-bad crime is just so awful on a practical and philosophical level it must have originated from the human mind and our deep seeded desire for the ultimate form of vengeance. Imagining the people who wronged you burning in hell forever really does bring some people a fucked up sense of comfort I guess. That and most versions of God being kind of a overly controlling petty dick who despite being benevolent and all loving will absolutely torch your ass for all eternity if you don't constantly ask for forgiveness over every little thing. Like im pretty sure an all powerful benevolent god that truly loves every being in existence wouldn't have such a fragile and temperamental ego, nor would they expect constant groveling every time you bust a nut. I used to be a hardcore athiest since I disliked those aspects of my countries popular religions so much. Taking heroic doses of mushrooms and learning eastern ideas of religion like daoism and the idea of the godhead through Alan Watts helped me tremendously with coming around to the spiritual nature of realty. Im much happier with actually being able to experience subjective experiences my edgelord athiest past self never would have imagined while feeling relatively comfortable with the concept of my own mortality. Not sure what point I was trying to make. sorry for the ramble. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mun_Walker@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No it's, religion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* "What is the most basic article of faith? This is not all that we are." - for me that doesn't even require the belief in the supernatural (unlike Leoben) but simply that we are not just individuals but exist in a continuum as descendants of the past and ancestors of the future and strive towards some higher purpose. I believe an idea of a religious utopia, where everyone follows the tenets and then everything works just fabulous is what drives people to religion, not the fear of death. That is why religion evolved alongside humans, for social cohesion. The main problem in this are the simplistic solutions and the slow adoption of "new revelation" through science. And that blind faith trains people to be narrow-minded. Basically I believe we need a better class of religion if we ever want to get rid of the medieval stuff @Holzkohlen@feddit.de permalink fedilink source parent [–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org [S] 34 points 2 years ago* This is EXACTLY THE BULLSHIT they some Reagan aficionados I know tend to see only once and not learn from. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Christ. Sounds like you need to have less contact with your parents permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I moved 3000 miles away for exactly that reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Good! Did the same, and haven't regretted the decision permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) What the fuck. I didn't even know that was a take. That's horrible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Religion poisons everything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Hey, swap out adoption with aborting unwanted pregnancies and you have the same R meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Only tangentially related, but I recently saw some antiabortion protestors at a clinic (not PP) They don't even perform abortions at that clinic... permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I bet they were also saying abortion is murder at the same time they were saying adoption is amoral. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago* (1 child) 🤢 As someone who just went through a very lengthy adoption process to rescue my niece and nephew from the system, that first line makes me feel extra sick. How the fuck can you be so full of nastiness towards parentless children who got into the system through life circumstances they couldn't possibly help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Well it probably happened to you because you are a sinner or smth. That is how they think. Religion is a cancer on society. All religion. You cannot changemty mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My only real argument against it is that religion often isn’t the reason for the views; It’s simply the cudgel being used to attack the “others”. People who aren’t already predisposed to racism, sexism, classism, etc likely won’t embrace those parts of religion. If they do end up being religious, they’ll land in the more liberal sects, like Unitarians/universalists… But if someone is already predisposed to that bigoted mindset, religion will absolutely be used to justify it. Because the views of some 3000 year old goat herders is apparently meant to apply to modern society. It’s a sort of chicken and egg situation, where it’s hard to say whether or not religion is causing the fucked up worldviews, or if it’s simply a phenomenon of people seeking out a religion that confirms their own worldviews. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Smokeydope@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest is a cancer on society. ftfy People are afraid of dying and what may or may not come after, so we make up comforting narratives to ease the existential dread. And those narratives double as a cultural identity marker to make people feel special and in a community. I would be okay if it just stopped there. Where most religions here in the west go wrong for me is the constant threats of eternal damnation if you aren't part of the club, like the concept of hell and eternal punishment for finite usually-not-that-bad crime is just so awful on a practical and philosophical level it must have originated from the human mind and our deep seeded desire for the ultimate form of vengeance. Imagining the people who wronged you burning in hell forever really does bring some people a fucked up sense of comfort I guess. That and most versions of God being kind of a overly controlling petty dick who despite being benevolent and all loving will absolutely torch your ass for all eternity if you don't constantly ask for forgiveness over every little thing. Like im pretty sure an all powerful benevolent god that truly loves every being in existence wouldn't have such a fragile and temperamental ego, nor would they expect constant groveling every time you bust a nut. I used to be a hardcore athiest since I disliked those aspects of my countries popular religions so much. Taking heroic doses of mushrooms and learning eastern ideas of religion like daoism and the idea of the godhead through Alan Watts helped me tremendously with coming around to the spiritual nature of realty. Im much happier with actually being able to experience subjective experiences my edgelord athiest past self never would have imagined while feeling relatively comfortable with the concept of my own mortality. Not sure what point I was trying to make. sorry for the ramble. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mun_Walker@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No it's, religion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* "What is the most basic article of faith? This is not all that we are." - for me that doesn't even require the belief in the supernatural (unlike Leoben) but simply that we are not just individuals but exist in a continuum as descendants of the past and ancestors of the future and strive towards some higher purpose. I believe an idea of a religious utopia, where everyone follows the tenets and then everything works just fabulous is what drives people to religion, not the fear of death. That is why religion evolved alongside humans, for social cohesion. The main problem in this are the simplistic solutions and the slow adoption of "new revelation" through science. And that blind faith trains people to be narrow-minded. Basically I believe we need a better class of religion if we ever want to get rid of the medieval stuff @Holzkohlen@feddit.de permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Well it probably happened to you because you are a sinner or smth. That is how they think. Religion is a cancer on society. All religion. You cannot changemty mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My only real argument against it is that religion often isn’t the reason for the views; It’s simply the cudgel being used to attack the “others”. People who aren’t already predisposed to racism, sexism, classism, etc likely won’t embrace those parts of religion. If they do end up being religious, they’ll land in the more liberal sects, like Unitarians/universalists… But if someone is already predisposed to that bigoted mindset, religion will absolutely be used to justify it. Because the views of some 3000 year old goat herders is apparently meant to apply to modern society. It’s a sort of chicken and egg situation, where it’s hard to say whether or not religion is causing the fucked up worldviews, or if it’s simply a phenomenon of people seeking out a religion that confirms their own worldviews. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Smokeydope@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest is a cancer on society. ftfy People are afraid of dying and what may or may not come after, so we make up comforting narratives to ease the existential dread. And those narratives double as a cultural identity marker to make people feel special and in a community. I would be okay if it just stopped there. Where most religions here in the west go wrong for me is the constant threats of eternal damnation if you aren't part of the club, like the concept of hell and eternal punishment for finite usually-not-that-bad crime is just so awful on a practical and philosophical level it must have originated from the human mind and our deep seeded desire for the ultimate form of vengeance. Imagining the people who wronged you burning in hell forever really does bring some people a fucked up sense of comfort I guess. That and most versions of God being kind of a overly controlling petty dick who despite being benevolent and all loving will absolutely torch your ass for all eternity if you don't constantly ask for forgiveness over every little thing. Like im pretty sure an all powerful benevolent god that truly loves every being in existence wouldn't have such a fragile and temperamental ego, nor would they expect constant groveling every time you bust a nut. I used to be a hardcore athiest since I disliked those aspects of my countries popular religions so much. Taking heroic doses of mushrooms and learning eastern ideas of religion like daoism and the idea of the godhead through Alan Watts helped me tremendously with coming around to the spiritual nature of realty. Im much happier with actually being able to experience subjective experiences my edgelord athiest past self never would have imagined while feeling relatively comfortable with the concept of my own mortality. Not sure what point I was trying to make. sorry for the ramble. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mun_Walker@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No it's, religion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* "What is the most basic article of faith? This is not all that we are." - for me that doesn't even require the belief in the supernatural (unlike Leoben) but simply that we are not just individuals but exist in a continuum as descendants of the past and ancestors of the future and strive towards some higher purpose. I believe an idea of a religious utopia, where everyone follows the tenets and then everything works just fabulous is what drives people to religion, not the fear of death. That is why religion evolved alongside humans, for social cohesion. The main problem in this are the simplistic solutions and the slow adoption of "new revelation" through science. And that blind faith trains people to be narrow-minded. Basically I believe we need a better class of religion if we ever want to get rid of the medieval stuff @Holzkohlen@feddit.de permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago My only real argument against it is that religion often isn’t the reason for the views; It’s simply the cudgel being used to attack the “others”. People who aren’t already predisposed to racism, sexism, classism, etc likely won’t embrace those parts of religion. If they do end up being religious, they’ll land in the more liberal sects, like Unitarians/universalists… But if someone is already predisposed to that bigoted mindset, religion will absolutely be used to justify it. Because the views of some 3000 year old goat herders is apparently meant to apply to modern society. It’s a sort of chicken and egg situation, where it’s hard to say whether or not religion is causing the fucked up worldviews, or if it’s simply a phenomenon of people seeking out a religion that confirms their own worldviews. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Smokeydope@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest is a cancer on society. ftfy People are afraid of dying and what may or may not come after, so we make up comforting narratives to ease the existential dread. And those narratives double as a cultural identity marker to make people feel special and in a community. I would be okay if it just stopped there. Where most religions here in the west go wrong for me is the constant threats of eternal damnation if you aren't part of the club, like the concept of hell and eternal punishment for finite usually-not-that-bad crime is just so awful on a practical and philosophical level it must have originated from the human mind and our deep seeded desire for the ultimate form of vengeance. Imagining the people who wronged you burning in hell forever really does bring some people a fucked up sense of comfort I guess. That and most versions of God being kind of a overly controlling petty dick who despite being benevolent and all loving will absolutely torch your ass for all eternity if you don't constantly ask for forgiveness over every little thing. Like im pretty sure an all powerful benevolent god that truly loves every being in existence wouldn't have such a fragile and temperamental ego, nor would they expect constant groveling every time you bust a nut. I used to be a hardcore athiest since I disliked those aspects of my countries popular religions so much. Taking heroic doses of mushrooms and learning eastern ideas of religion like daoism and the idea of the godhead through Alan Watts helped me tremendously with coming around to the spiritual nature of realty. Im much happier with actually being able to experience subjective experiences my edgelord athiest past self never would have imagined while feeling relatively comfortable with the concept of my own mortality. Not sure what point I was trying to make. sorry for the ramble. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mun_Walker@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No it's, religion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* "What is the most basic article of faith? This is not all that we are." - for me that doesn't even require the belief in the supernatural (unlike Leoben) but simply that we are not just individuals but exist in a continuum as descendants of the past and ancestors of the future and strive towards some higher purpose. I believe an idea of a religious utopia, where everyone follows the tenets and then everything works just fabulous is what drives people to religion, not the fear of death. That is why religion evolved alongside humans, for social cohesion. The main problem in this are the simplistic solutions and the slow adoption of "new revelation" through science. And that blind faith trains people to be narrow-minded. Basically I believe we need a better class of religion if we ever want to get rid of the medieval stuff @Holzkohlen@feddit.de permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Religion blind hatred for anyone not in your spiritual fraternity and hypocritical self interest permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* "What is the most basic article of faith? This is not all that we are." - for me that doesn't even require the belief in the supernatural (unlike Leoben) but simply that we are not just individuals but exist in a continuum as descendants of the past and ancestors of the future and strive towards some higher purpose. I believe an idea of a religious utopia, where everyone follows the tenets and then everything works just fabulous is what drives people to religion, not the fear of death. That is why religion evolved alongside humans, for social cohesion. The main problem in this are the simplistic solutions and the slow adoption of "new revelation" through science. And that blind faith trains people to be narrow-minded. Basically I believe we need a better class of religion if we ever want to get rid of the medieval stuff @Holzkohlen@feddit.de permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org [S] 34 points 2 years ago* This is EXACTLY THE BULLSHIT they some Reagan aficionados I know tend to see only once and not learn from. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Christ. Sounds like you need to have less contact with your parents permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I moved 3000 miles away for exactly that reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Good! Did the same, and haven't regretted the decision permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I moved 3000 miles away for exactly that reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Good! Did the same, and haven't regretted the decision permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Good! Did the same, and haven't regretted the decision permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) What the fuck. I didn't even know that was a take. That's horrible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Religion poisons everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Religion poisons everything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Hey, swap out adoption with aborting unwanted pregnancies and you have the same R meme. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Only tangentially related, but I recently saw some antiabortion protestors at a clinic (not PP) They don't even perform abortions at that clinic... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Only tangentially related, but I recently saw some antiabortion protestors at a clinic (not PP) They don't even perform abortions at that clinic... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I bet they were also saying abortion is murder at the same time they were saying adoption is amoral. permalink fedilink source parent