hh93 comments on Big oil quietly walks back on climate pledges as global heat records tumble

Big oil quietly walks back on climate pledges as global heat records tumble (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] hh93@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Too many people believe they can just continue living like they were 30 years ago - if big oil would stop producing stuff and plastics, gas and airplane fuels would not be available anymore then people would riot

Even threatening to increase prices to a level that would make sense to limit the use to absolutely necessary levels would piss off too many people to be a viable option because everyone just wants to believe that it's just for "the others" to change but not for themselves.

Everyone has to act and change their Livestyle...

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[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (4 children)

This is the truth right there. Gas prices went up two measly dollars compared to normal in 2022, and everyone flipped the fuck out. People were prepared to elect Republicans-- fucking Republicans- to office, they were so furious about it.

And don't @ me about "100 corporations are responsible for like 90% of emissions". Who's buying those corporations' goods? Who's refusing to vote for politicians that'll meaningfully regulate these corporations? Who's spending all day fantasizing about Da Revolushun^TM that'll never fucking come (and would kill tens of millions of civilians and likely result in fascists winning and seizing control of your country, if not the whole thing splintering into a bunch of warring fiefdoms controlled by ruthless oligarchs) instead of getting to actual work trying to effect real change in the real world? And I don't mean "direct action" (read: looking edgy and getting photos for the 'gram), I mean actually fucking getting policy passed that'll have a real impact on people's real lives.

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[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

It’s almost like our society is car centered, and raising gas prices directly results in worse outcomes for the majority of people. You can’t expect people to just stop using cars, but you can use the state to create massive infrastructure policies paid for wholly by the polluting industries who most heavily profit from our current situation. Use the next decade to build high speed rail, electrified busses and lightrails, subway systems, and other mass transit, and then when gas prices go up, people will have an option other than cutting back on their food to ensure they make it to work every day.

I replied to the wrong comment in this thread, but if I delete it’ll only delete from my instance, so I’m just gonna leave it.

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[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Our society is 100% car centered. My kids' schools are miles away from my house, my job is miles away, and you cannot convince me to ride a bike or walk when it's over 100°F outside. Fuck that shit. I'm happy to take public transit, but any public transit available to me isn't feasible because it would take literally 1.5-2 hours to get to work and back each way, which cuts down severely on my family time. And I can't work from home either due to the nature of my job, which is maintaining the machines that build microchips.

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Maybe don't move somewhere that your job and kids school is hundreds of miles away? My child's school is down the street, and I can take the subway to work in about 15min. This was a specific choice my wife and I made when we chose to live here.

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Holy privilege Batman

"Just don't live in a place like that" rofl

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Oh great, let's use privilege as a bludgeon to enforce the status quo. This is great and also happens to be indistinguishable from doing nothing.

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

I'm saying your proposed solution is not possible.

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

It's possible for billions today right now including millions in America. So maybe you should expand your understanding of what is possible instead of being a reactionary fighting change.

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

How. Explain.

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Billions of people in the world live without cars. The possibilities of this don't need to be explained since they are actively occurring across the world. Within America there are ~10% of household that do not have a car. https://usa.streetsblog.org/2021/10/22/u-s-cities-have-more-car-free-households-than-you-think This is a good thing btw, and it should fully demonstrate that such a life is absolutlely possible, and could be improved and expanded.

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

So you're saying that in areas which allow for people to live without cars, people live without cars, and this is why people who live in areas that DON'T allow for people to live without cars, should also live without cars? What?

If the environment is designed solely for cars, you can't just ditch your car. And unless you're wealthy you can't just up and move.

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago*

I'm saying if you voluntarilly move to a place that requires a car, your opinion is made clear: you don't give a shit about the future and your selfishness is apparent.

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Policy like regulating those 100 corporations?

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[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Yes. I said so explicitly in my previous comment.

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[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Seems odd to say

And don't @ me about "100 corporations are responsible for like 90% of emissions". Who's buying those corporations' goods?

People bringing up the 100 corporations are usually calling for regulations on them, and the "you're the ones buying the goods" people are usually calling for Personal Responsibility and Voting With Your Wallet.

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[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

It’s possible to both think those companies should be regulated and that people are doing almost nothing personally to help, including electing people to enact those policies. For most people I talk to the “but 100 corps” is a total deflection of personal responsibility. This crisis will not be solved without a good heaping helping of both personal responsibility and aggressive government regulation. If nothing else because that aggressive regulation will never pass into law unless people acknowledge their personal responsibility and are willing to accept the sacrifices that will come with it.

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago

In the US, unless you are willing to vote third party, you don't get the choice to vote for Anti-Capitalist politicians. And there are millions of liberals waiting in line to scold you for not voting for the parties of Capital.

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[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Emissions can’t be stopped at the point of consumption.

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[–] bear@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

They didn't say we can stop it at our individual points of consumption. They explicitly mentioned policy. People need to be willing to support policy that will drastically change their own lives, likely in ways they don't even realize, and be ready to live with that. Otherwise pretty soon we won't be living with much at all.

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[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago

don’t @ me about “100 corporations are responsible for like 90% of emissions”. Who’s buying those corporations’ goods?

Suggesting that the consumer is responsible for emissions at the point of production betrays a deep misunderstanding of climate change.

Suggesting that “people’s” willingness to support policy that would change their lives is holding back cuts to emissions at the point of production betrays a similarly deep misunderstanding of political power.

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[–] Flygone@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

Not immediately but they'll stop producing if people stop buying. Just takes a lot of people to have any meaningful change. And that starts with every single one of us.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago

And that'll never happen, because everyone else will ignore you and just buy the shit anyway.

It NEEDS to be regulatory change. Shaming consumers into not consuming doesn't work. Oil companies want you to think it works, that's why THEY invented the concept of the carbon footprint. To make everyone ignore real solutions that could actually work.

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[–] Ooops@feddit.de -1 points 3 years ago*

Gas prices went up two measly dollars compared to normal in 2022, and everyone flipped the fuck out.

Yeah, sure. They flipped out because the love their cars so much and don't want to change anything. Oh, wait. No, they flipped out because companies and corrupt politicians made them completely dependent on cars so they will starve without them and kept them so poor that even increasing the cost of using the cars they dependent on just a bit again ends with starving.

And here you are babbling none-sense again about how it's the stupid people buying products -as if they had a choice- and not the companies and politicians that are to blame.

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