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Turns out, far-right shitheads are still far-right shitheads (media.kbin.social)
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[–] 83 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Its warcriminals fighting warcriminals, change my mind.

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  • [+] 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] [S] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah. Hamas doesn't have any moral high ground, but the one that needs to be restrained at this moment in time is Israel.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    People are also more eager to criticise Israel because Hamas is just a terrorist organisation and they hold Israel to a higher standard.

    I guess the Israeli government isn't happy about being treated as more than a terrorist organisation?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I always thought the IDF was supposed to be super skilled and tactical. I expected surgical strikes to take out terrorists and minimize civilian casualties. They had a reputation for strength.

    Turns out they're either incompetent or they're genocidal or both. Hint: both.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately, for those in the know, the IDF's callous and sadistic operations in Palestine have been known for some time. They had a good PR arm making themselves out to be super careful in the occupied territories, but it was always at odds with their actions.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If their good pr looks like that, I can’t imagine the bad pr arm

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well, the good PR arm is pre-October 7, back when they were 'just' doming American citizens and tying Palestinian children to their vehicles as human shields. Right now I'm pretty sure their entire PR team is either on vacation celebrating that their job is over now that Israel is going mask off, or have chosen to eat a bullet over seeing their work whitewashing all these atrocities pissed away by Netanyahu.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    They weren’t that great before. lol

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We can guess they would, as they are backed by iran, who has declared they want to wipe Israel off the map.

    (Not Zion posting, Israel is commiting genocide, just saying Hamas is no better, just less capable)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Too many people don’t get that, I am 100% against Hamas, that might be different, if instead of a bunch of civilians, they had just taken like legitimate military people, I know everyone in Israel’s a veteran blah blah blah.

    Hell, I could even have a lot more respect for them if they immediately released everyone who wasn’t an Israeli soldier.

    Shit even if they just give up the fucking children.

    But they didn’t do any of that and they’re complete fucking bastards and cowards.

    But I can say damn hear everything the same against fucking Israel here.

    They are both bad, and I don’t understand the people who are only against one or the other.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ehh, Hamas would have killed just as many if not far more civilians by now if Israel didn’t have such good defenses with things like the iron dome.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Hamas and the Islamic brotherhood have only fired 12,000 rockets at Israel since 10/7. I'm sure they don't want to kill indiscriminately, just give the Israelis a fireworks show! /s

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    If 12,000 rockets fired means they are attacking indiscriminately, what would you say about the many more thousands of bombs that the IDF has dropped over the entire area of Gaza? Why are IDF engineers rigging residential buildings with bombs and destroying them after clearing them out? What is the purpose of their missile strikes on refugee convoys and ambulances?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm actually kind of skeptical of that number. Gaza isn't big enough to drop 16,000 bombs on.

    Why are IDF engineers

    They want a DMZ between Gaza and Israel. (and let's see how long before Israeli settlers move in.)

    What is the purpose of their missile strikes on refugee convoys and ambulances?

    Hamas wins when Israelis die. Hamas wins when Palestinians die. Ambulances and hospitals are the best places for Hamas to hide.

    We should all know WHY Israel is doing what they're doing. Hell, we know why Hamas is doing what they're doing. That doesn't make it right.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I haven't seen a number of bombs dropped by the IDF recently, but it was in the thousands last I heard probably in December. Israel also has much heavier munitions and is capable of high accuracy. Independent analysis show that by November 6th, the IDF had dropped at least 500 2,000 pound bombs, causing impact craters larger than 40 feet, in densely populated residential areas.

    The heavy munitions, mostly manufactured by the US, can cause high casualty events and can have a lethal fragmentation radius – an area of exposure to injury or death around the target – of up to 365 meters (about 1,198 feet), or the equivalent of 58 soccer fields in area.

    Israel dropped hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs on Gaza, analysis shows

    Whether or not militants hide in hospitals or ambulances it is abhorrent to attack medical staff and is generally recognized as a war crime. There have been numerous deaths of independent observers, foreign medical staff. More UN aid workers have been killed by the IDF since October than in any other conflict in their history.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, I'm not making excuses for anyone. People just have this tendency to exaggerate towards "their" side.

    Taking either side in this thing like it's a sports team seems kind of obscene to me. We don't need to be making things up to try to "win" an online argument.

    Regardless of how much damage Israel has done, I don't think they've dropped 16,000 bombs.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Data from conflict-tracking group Airwars suggests that the US-led coalition against IS in Iraq carried out 15,000 strikes between 2014 and 2017; the Israeli military has carried out 22,000 in Gaza in less than three months.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/08/the-numbers-that-reveal-the-extent-of-the-destruction-in-gaza

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm curious about what constitutes a "strike", but I'm still impressed you found a reliable source.

    I looked at the guardian's source, but they never define a "strike".

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    I searched "number of Israeli bombs dropped" on duckduckgo and that was one of the first that came up, there are other stats I've seen referenced before like bombs dropped or mortar strikes etc. if you follow the original source cited by the Guardian it may be more specific, I haven't looked at that yet whoops I see you say you looked at that already

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I guess it's war criminals killing civilians, mostly.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    right, not even getting to the point of fighting each other, this makes it so much worse.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, all those children murdered so that their parents homes can be stolen are war criminals...

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't get too worked up by right-wing religious nuts harming other right-wing religious nuts.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sadly, there are many innocents who are caught between the two.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yep, thats my Main issue. Also there seems to be a group oft people that can make out the good guys in this conflict, which isnt a thing i think.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But the IDF is the most moral army in the world, they said so.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This isn't a religious war. It's an oppressed people fighting back against a secular political ideology that uses religion to it's goals.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Absolutely not the whole picture. Hamas is a religious terrorist organization backed by iran.

    The Palestinian people are innocent, Hamas is not.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, that's nonsense. Not once, from any media, Western, independent, or Middle Eastern have I heard that. They are Muslim but their sole purpose is Palestinian liberation and to fight Zionism. It's in their party charter.

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