▲ 717 ▼ More than one-third of Americans believe Israel is committing genocide, poll shows (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/news@lemmy.world 182 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (2 children) 67% said a ceasefire should only happen if the hostages are released and Hamas is removed from power 83% said October 7 was a terror attack, including 74% of those aged 18-24 80% said they support Israel over Hamas, including 57% of those aged 18-24 69% said Israel was trying to avoid civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip and 66% said Israel was just trying to defend itself 74% said Hamas’s attack was genocidal https://harvardharrispoll.com/ permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (3 children) this is depressing. I'm not going to comment on whether or not Hamas' attack was genocidal, because even if they meant it to be, I just don't they have the capability. but like... Israel is bombing fucking hospitals and refugee camps inside the strip. That's not how you go about "avoiding civilian casualties". the only side worth supporting here are the civilians caught in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Right. I'm with the civilians on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Excuse my ignorance but has Israel actually bombed a hospital? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/01/middleeast/gaza-hospitals-destruction-investigation-intl-cmd/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks. I assumed hospitals would get damaged in the fighting but I did not know some of them were literally flattened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago There was a 12 year old girl that had her leg blown off at home by an IDF airstrike and her family killed. When she was lying amputated in the hospital bed, an israeli tank shell blew her head off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago For real? They bomb a different one like every other fucking day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] guriinii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Literally all of them. There's only the Nasser hospital in Khan Younis left but it's barely functioning as it's completely overwhelmed, and Khan Younis has been besieged for days. There were 36 in total permalink fedilink source parent [+] hydro033@kbin.social -4 points 2 years ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* Israel also uses human shields and they have been at the core of its expansion policy for decades. They call them "settlers." This double standard pisses me off more than just about anything else about the conflict. Israel is the undisputed champion of using civilians as cover for its military and expansionist goals. And before anyone tries to claim this bullshit that they are acting without the authority of the state, first tell me who Netanyahu put in charge of settlement policy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Israel tells you this and you just take their word for it. Al Shifa was supposed to be a Hamas command center. Israel promised us it was a command center, they gave us audio recordings as proof, they had a whole mockup of the suspected underground facilities. There wasn't shit, just a sub basement Israel dug. Stop believing Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're not wrong. but we're still waiting for proof that Hamas has used a hospital as a base of operations. another thing everyone knows: The IDF lies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) The IDF also targets journalists and journalists' families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago And also take hostages. Oh. I’m sorry. They detain protestors with no due process and round up more suspects when they make a swap… permalink fedilink source parent [–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* If you don't think Palestinians should be used as human shields, I've got some bad news for you about the IDF. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Human shields should not be used. Human shields should not be bombed. I know this sounds like enlightened centrism, but it's pretty clear, only the civilians were innocent. I cannot, simply cannot, support bombing a human shield. There is no point in defending it. "Hamas uses human shields and has been for a long time. We know this. Everyone knows this." only points to a clear bad guy if the human shield isn't bombed. Never have I uttered one breath of support for Hamas. Using a human shield is deplorable. Many different nations expressed support for the US in war efforts after 9/11. That support slowly dwindled as more and more atrocities were reported. Israel is speedrunning support loss. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago and they tunnel through the babies they eat, sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Depressing. Mainstream media is such a cancer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (3 children) this is depressing. I'm not going to comment on whether or not Hamas' attack was genocidal, because even if they meant it to be, I just don't they have the capability. but like... Israel is bombing fucking hospitals and refugee camps inside the strip. That's not how you go about "avoiding civilian casualties". the only side worth supporting here are the civilians caught in the middle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Right. I'm with the civilians on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Excuse my ignorance but has Israel actually bombed a hospital? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/01/middleeast/gaza-hospitals-destruction-investigation-intl-cmd/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks. I assumed hospitals would get damaged in the fighting but I did not know some of them were literally flattened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago There was a 12 year old girl that had her leg blown off at home by an IDF airstrike and her family killed. When she was lying amputated in the hospital bed, an israeli tank shell blew her head off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago For real? They bomb a different one like every other fucking day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] guriinii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Literally all of them. There's only the Nasser hospital in Khan Younis left but it's barely functioning as it's completely overwhelmed, and Khan Younis has been besieged for days. There were 36 in total permalink fedilink source parent [+] hydro033@kbin.social -4 points 2 years ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* Israel also uses human shields and they have been at the core of its expansion policy for decades. They call them "settlers." This double standard pisses me off more than just about anything else about the conflict. Israel is the undisputed champion of using civilians as cover for its military and expansionist goals. And before anyone tries to claim this bullshit that they are acting without the authority of the state, first tell me who Netanyahu put in charge of settlement policy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Israel tells you this and you just take their word for it. Al Shifa was supposed to be a Hamas command center. Israel promised us it was a command center, they gave us audio recordings as proof, they had a whole mockup of the suspected underground facilities. There wasn't shit, just a sub basement Israel dug. Stop believing Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're not wrong. but we're still waiting for proof that Hamas has used a hospital as a base of operations. another thing everyone knows: The IDF lies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) The IDF also targets journalists and journalists' families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago And also take hostages. Oh. I’m sorry. They detain protestors with no due process and round up more suspects when they make a swap… permalink fedilink source parent [–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* If you don't think Palestinians should be used as human shields, I've got some bad news for you about the IDF. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Human shields should not be used. Human shields should not be bombed. I know this sounds like enlightened centrism, but it's pretty clear, only the civilians were innocent. I cannot, simply cannot, support bombing a human shield. There is no point in defending it. "Hamas uses human shields and has been for a long time. We know this. Everyone knows this." only points to a clear bad guy if the human shield isn't bombed. Never have I uttered one breath of support for Hamas. Using a human shield is deplorable. Many different nations expressed support for the US in war efforts after 9/11. That support slowly dwindled as more and more atrocities were reported. Israel is speedrunning support loss. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago and they tunnel through the babies they eat, sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago Right. I'm with the civilians on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Excuse my ignorance but has Israel actually bombed a hospital? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/01/middleeast/gaza-hospitals-destruction-investigation-intl-cmd/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks. I assumed hospitals would get damaged in the fighting but I did not know some of them were literally flattened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago There was a 12 year old girl that had her leg blown off at home by an IDF airstrike and her family killed. When she was lying amputated in the hospital bed, an israeli tank shell blew her head off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago For real? They bomb a different one like every other fucking day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] guriinii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Literally all of them. There's only the Nasser hospital in Khan Younis left but it's barely functioning as it's completely overwhelmed, and Khan Younis has been besieged for days. There were 36 in total permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/01/middleeast/gaza-hospitals-destruction-investigation-intl-cmd/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks. I assumed hospitals would get damaged in the fighting but I did not know some of them were literally flattened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago There was a 12 year old girl that had her leg blown off at home by an IDF airstrike and her family killed. When she was lying amputated in the hospital bed, an israeli tank shell blew her head off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks. I assumed hospitals would get damaged in the fighting but I did not know some of them were literally flattened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago There was a 12 year old girl that had her leg blown off at home by an IDF airstrike and her family killed. When she was lying amputated in the hospital bed, an israeli tank shell blew her head off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago There was a 12 year old girl that had her leg blown off at home by an IDF airstrike and her family killed. When she was lying amputated in the hospital bed, an israeli tank shell blew her head off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago For real? They bomb a different one like every other fucking day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] guriinii@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Literally all of them. There's only the Nasser hospital in Khan Younis left but it's barely functioning as it's completely overwhelmed, and Khan Younis has been besieged for days. There were 36 in total permalink fedilink source parent
[+] hydro033@kbin.social -4 points 2 years ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* Israel also uses human shields and they have been at the core of its expansion policy for decades. They call them "settlers." This double standard pisses me off more than just about anything else about the conflict. Israel is the undisputed champion of using civilians as cover for its military and expansionist goals. And before anyone tries to claim this bullshit that they are acting without the authority of the state, first tell me who Netanyahu put in charge of settlement policy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Israel tells you this and you just take their word for it. Al Shifa was supposed to be a Hamas command center. Israel promised us it was a command center, they gave us audio recordings as proof, they had a whole mockup of the suspected underground facilities. There wasn't shit, just a sub basement Israel dug. Stop believing Israel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're not wrong. but we're still waiting for proof that Hamas has used a hospital as a base of operations. another thing everyone knows: The IDF lies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) The IDF also targets journalists and journalists' families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago And also take hostages. Oh. I’m sorry. They detain protestors with no due process and round up more suspects when they make a swap… permalink fedilink source parent [–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* If you don't think Palestinians should be used as human shields, I've got some bad news for you about the IDF. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Human shields should not be used. Human shields should not be bombed. I know this sounds like enlightened centrism, but it's pretty clear, only the civilians were innocent. I cannot, simply cannot, support bombing a human shield. There is no point in defending it. "Hamas uses human shields and has been for a long time. We know this. Everyone knows this." only points to a clear bad guy if the human shield isn't bombed. Never have I uttered one breath of support for Hamas. Using a human shield is deplorable. Many different nations expressed support for the US in war efforts after 9/11. That support slowly dwindled as more and more atrocities were reported. Israel is speedrunning support loss. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago and they tunnel through the babies they eat, sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* Israel also uses human shields and they have been at the core of its expansion policy for decades. They call them "settlers." This double standard pisses me off more than just about anything else about the conflict. Israel is the undisputed champion of using civilians as cover for its military and expansionist goals. And before anyone tries to claim this bullshit that they are acting without the authority of the state, first tell me who Netanyahu put in charge of settlement policy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Israel tells you this and you just take their word for it. Al Shifa was supposed to be a Hamas command center. Israel promised us it was a command center, they gave us audio recordings as proof, they had a whole mockup of the suspected underground facilities. There wasn't shit, just a sub basement Israel dug. Stop believing Israel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) you're not wrong. but we're still waiting for proof that Hamas has used a hospital as a base of operations. another thing everyone knows: The IDF lies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) The IDF also targets journalists and journalists' families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago And also take hostages. Oh. I’m sorry. They detain protestors with no due process and round up more suspects when they make a swap… permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) The IDF also targets journalists and journalists' families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago And also take hostages. Oh. I’m sorry. They detain protestors with no due process and round up more suspects when they make a swap… permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago And also take hostages. Oh. I’m sorry. They detain protestors with no due process and round up more suspects when they make a swap… permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* If you don't think Palestinians should be used as human shields, I've got some bad news for you about the IDF. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Human shields should not be used. Human shields should not be bombed. I know this sounds like enlightened centrism, but it's pretty clear, only the civilians were innocent. I cannot, simply cannot, support bombing a human shield. There is no point in defending it. "Hamas uses human shields and has been for a long time. We know this. Everyone knows this." only points to a clear bad guy if the human shield isn't bombed. Never have I uttered one breath of support for Hamas. Using a human shield is deplorable. Many different nations expressed support for the US in war efforts after 9/11. That support slowly dwindled as more and more atrocities were reported. Israel is speedrunning support loss. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago and they tunnel through the babies they eat, sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Depressing. Mainstream media is such a cancer. permalink fedilink source parent