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[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) How many dollars of military sales to Israel has Biden approved? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-biden-administration-once-again-bypasses-congress-on-an-emergency-weapons-sale-to-israel You're delusional if you think the US doesn't have any influence on the behavior of Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you suppose Israel would stop if we stopped giving them money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel relies on American arms. That gives the US a lot of leverage to influence Israeli policy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you think Netanyahu would stop if their American arms supply dried up tomorrow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You tell me. How do you think Israel would respond if American arms were contingent on deescalation? Or at least a change in status quo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They would continue on this genocidal path with their own weapons they already have and ones they already produce locally. This is a holy war, with Netanyahu's goal being to cling to power. He's already stated that he doesn't intend to stop; peace isn't an option, and I'm inclined to believe him. So, Biden simply doesn't have the power or leverage to stop him, even if we leveled sanctions at them (which would never happen, because they're still a geopolitical ally). I agree with the general premise that we shouldn't give them more weapons, but it's disingenuous and reductive to talk and act like Biden is somehow directly responsible for the war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You're over estimating the arms manufacturing capacity of Israel. Belgium has an arms industry too, but they're not capable of suppling themselves in a prolonged conflict. Israel is in the same boat. Regardless, we can agree to disagree that using US arms as leverage would work. Maybe leveraging US arms would induce change, maybe not. But why not at least try? We both agree that shoveling more arms into the status quo should stop. So why not at least try to induce some change? Even if it doesn't work, where's the harm? The fact that Biden won't do that, or at least stop the sale of arms, is a major issue. Is he responsible for Israel? No. Is he complicit? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Bypassed Congress twice permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you suppose Israel would stop if we stopped giving them money? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel relies on American arms. That gives the US a lot of leverage to influence Israeli policy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you think Netanyahu would stop if their American arms supply dried up tomorrow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You tell me. How do you think Israel would respond if American arms were contingent on deescalation? Or at least a change in status quo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They would continue on this genocidal path with their own weapons they already have and ones they already produce locally. This is a holy war, with Netanyahu's goal being to cling to power. He's already stated that he doesn't intend to stop; peace isn't an option, and I'm inclined to believe him. So, Biden simply doesn't have the power or leverage to stop him, even if we leveled sanctions at them (which would never happen, because they're still a geopolitical ally). I agree with the general premise that we shouldn't give them more weapons, but it's disingenuous and reductive to talk and act like Biden is somehow directly responsible for the war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You're over estimating the arms manufacturing capacity of Israel. Belgium has an arms industry too, but they're not capable of suppling themselves in a prolonged conflict. Israel is in the same boat. Regardless, we can agree to disagree that using US arms as leverage would work. Maybe leveraging US arms would induce change, maybe not. But why not at least try? We both agree that shoveling more arms into the status quo should stop. So why not at least try to induce some change? Even if it doesn't work, where's the harm? The fact that Biden won't do that, or at least stop the sale of arms, is a major issue. Is he responsible for Israel? No. Is he complicit? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel relies on American arms. That gives the US a lot of leverage to influence Israeli policy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you think Netanyahu would stop if their American arms supply dried up tomorrow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You tell me. How do you think Israel would respond if American arms were contingent on deescalation? Or at least a change in status quo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They would continue on this genocidal path with their own weapons they already have and ones they already produce locally. This is a holy war, with Netanyahu's goal being to cling to power. He's already stated that he doesn't intend to stop; peace isn't an option, and I'm inclined to believe him. So, Biden simply doesn't have the power or leverage to stop him, even if we leveled sanctions at them (which would never happen, because they're still a geopolitical ally). I agree with the general premise that we shouldn't give them more weapons, but it's disingenuous and reductive to talk and act like Biden is somehow directly responsible for the war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You're over estimating the arms manufacturing capacity of Israel. Belgium has an arms industry too, but they're not capable of suppling themselves in a prolonged conflict. Israel is in the same boat. Regardless, we can agree to disagree that using US arms as leverage would work. Maybe leveraging US arms would induce change, maybe not. But why not at least try? We both agree that shoveling more arms into the status quo should stop. So why not at least try to induce some change? Even if it doesn't work, where's the harm? The fact that Biden won't do that, or at least stop the sale of arms, is a major issue. Is he responsible for Israel? No. Is he complicit? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do you think Netanyahu would stop if their American arms supply dried up tomorrow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You tell me. How do you think Israel would respond if American arms were contingent on deescalation? Or at least a change in status quo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They would continue on this genocidal path with their own weapons they already have and ones they already produce locally. This is a holy war, with Netanyahu's goal being to cling to power. He's already stated that he doesn't intend to stop; peace isn't an option, and I'm inclined to believe him. So, Biden simply doesn't have the power or leverage to stop him, even if we leveled sanctions at them (which would never happen, because they're still a geopolitical ally). I agree with the general premise that we shouldn't give them more weapons, but it's disingenuous and reductive to talk and act like Biden is somehow directly responsible for the war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You're over estimating the arms manufacturing capacity of Israel. Belgium has an arms industry too, but they're not capable of suppling themselves in a prolonged conflict. Israel is in the same boat. Regardless, we can agree to disagree that using US arms as leverage would work. Maybe leveraging US arms would induce change, maybe not. But why not at least try? We both agree that shoveling more arms into the status quo should stop. So why not at least try to induce some change? Even if it doesn't work, where's the harm? The fact that Biden won't do that, or at least stop the sale of arms, is a major issue. Is he responsible for Israel? No. Is he complicit? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You tell me. How do you think Israel would respond if American arms were contingent on deescalation? Or at least a change in status quo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They would continue on this genocidal path with their own weapons they already have and ones they already produce locally. This is a holy war, with Netanyahu's goal being to cling to power. He's already stated that he doesn't intend to stop; peace isn't an option, and I'm inclined to believe him. So, Biden simply doesn't have the power or leverage to stop him, even if we leveled sanctions at them (which would never happen, because they're still a geopolitical ally). I agree with the general premise that we shouldn't give them more weapons, but it's disingenuous and reductive to talk and act like Biden is somehow directly responsible for the war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You're over estimating the arms manufacturing capacity of Israel. Belgium has an arms industry too, but they're not capable of suppling themselves in a prolonged conflict. Israel is in the same boat. Regardless, we can agree to disagree that using US arms as leverage would work. Maybe leveraging US arms would induce change, maybe not. But why not at least try? We both agree that shoveling more arms into the status quo should stop. So why not at least try to induce some change? Even if it doesn't work, where's the harm? The fact that Biden won't do that, or at least stop the sale of arms, is a major issue. Is he responsible for Israel? No. Is he complicit? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They would continue on this genocidal path with their own weapons they already have and ones they already produce locally. This is a holy war, with Netanyahu's goal being to cling to power. He's already stated that he doesn't intend to stop; peace isn't an option, and I'm inclined to believe him. So, Biden simply doesn't have the power or leverage to stop him, even if we leveled sanctions at them (which would never happen, because they're still a geopolitical ally). I agree with the general premise that we shouldn't give them more weapons, but it's disingenuous and reductive to talk and act like Biden is somehow directly responsible for the war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You're over estimating the arms manufacturing capacity of Israel. Belgium has an arms industry too, but they're not capable of suppling themselves in a prolonged conflict. Israel is in the same boat. Regardless, we can agree to disagree that using US arms as leverage would work. Maybe leveraging US arms would induce change, maybe not. But why not at least try? We both agree that shoveling more arms into the status quo should stop. So why not at least try to induce some change? Even if it doesn't work, where's the harm? The fact that Biden won't do that, or at least stop the sale of arms, is a major issue. Is he responsible for Israel? No. Is he complicit? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You're over estimating the arms manufacturing capacity of Israel. Belgium has an arms industry too, but they're not capable of suppling themselves in a prolonged conflict. Israel is in the same boat. Regardless, we can agree to disagree that using US arms as leverage would work. Maybe leveraging US arms would induce change, maybe not. But why not at least try? We both agree that shoveling more arms into the status quo should stop. So why not at least try to induce some change? Even if it doesn't work, where's the harm? The fact that Biden won't do that, or at least stop the sale of arms, is a major issue. Is he responsible for Israel? No. Is he complicit? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Bypassed Congress twice permalink fedilink source parent