▲ 602 ▼ Google search is losing the fight with SEO spam, study says (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 years ago by rikudou@lemmings.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 120 comments fedilink hide all child comments I guess we all kinda knew that, but it's always nice to have a study backing your opinions.
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) I tried Kagi last fall because everyone was raving about it. Now I’m paying $5/month for search and couldn’t be happier 😅 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago* (3 children) What is Kati and is it actually good? Edit: Is it kagi? https://kagi.com/ Seems like something I'd be into but I'm also not a fan of my search results being logged against me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) First time I've heard of them. I like the concept but 5$ a month for only 300 search makes me think that you'd still need another search engine on the side, or pay for the more expensive plan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The 300 searches goes pretty far because you usually get the correct result the first time. Also you can just use hashbangs to search directly from a site like imdb, letterboxd, goodreads etc so those don't count against the 300 either. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Bongles@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well luckily for you, they don't do that. It doesn't maintain a search history at all which has its pros and cons. The only reason you have to login to use it is to check your payment level to determine your feature access. It is nice that login also allows you to use the same settings for multiple devices. One of those settings I really like is hiding results from certain websites (e.g. pinterest). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds ideal, but there's no way we can ever truly know, is there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redeven@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can never truly know about almost any online service, you kinda just have to take their word for it, do some research, and pick the option that best matches both the performance and philosophy you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yup, same reason I don't do VPN services. This is actually a perfect example of my concerns: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent [–] dco@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I think they mean the fact they count each search you do, and depending on your pricing plan, can run out of searches in a month.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not worried about Kagi's privacy, the only thing you need to give them is an email address (which is kind of a no-brainer if they need to contact you). You can pay with Bitcoin if you want more privacy. And they don't even allow you to store your own search history, because they don't want to save it anywhere. "Save My Search History Currently this option can not be turned on. Kagi does not save any searches by default. In the future we may add features that will utilize your search history and then we will allow you to enable this." permalink fedilink source parent [–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you find the limited number of searches enough? I’d do it if it were unlimited for $5, but not going to pay $10 for a search engine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The summariser works on Youtube videos too btw... You can just do !sum and get a summary of what they're saying in seconds. Changed my life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Works fine for me on the starter tier, it used to behind the early access tier (Ultimate?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's either money or your data. I prefer to pay with money. If enough people do, the price might lower (hopeium) or the competition might increase for the same service, creating better or cheaper services in the same space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Exactly. If you're not paying, you're most likely the product being sold. People always keep forgetting that Google (or Alphabet) is an ad company, that does tech stuff with its 20% time. Everything they do is geared towards delivering more ads more efficiently. This is why I've paid for email for years to Fastmail referral link Similarly I started paying Kagi for searches, mostly because their results are better than DDG, which I used for years. And, like the people I know from infosec, my phone is from Apple. They're the only company who makes you pay through the nose for the hardware and because of that specifically do everything they can not to know anything about you. (One of the reasons why Siri sucks so bad btw) permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought I'd burn through them but I haven't had an issue. I use DDG for low hanging fruit but I'm going to stop bothering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I'm at 243 searches now and it resets in 8 days. Seems to be enough for me. I do use bangs quite a bit, so if I need to find a movie I go !imdb the matrix and if I'm looking for a book I can go !gr rando splicer which saves on search credits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] apex32@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you call "!" a hashbang? "#" is a hash "!" is a bang "#!" is a hashbang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Not enough coffee, edited =) permalink fedilink source parent [–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Where do you see that number? I'm trying to find mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) settings -> billing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I have made 1,617 searches since October permalink fedilink source parent [–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Depends. I use search engines a lot as a programmer. I have over 600 so far. But the results have been good. I'm willing to pay for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] schrodingers_dinger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You may have changed my life with kagi. It is amazing so far at giving the results I want, and categorizing stuff like discussions so you don't have to add "Reddit" at the end of every search to get decent results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And you can easily block or boost sites in the search results: I've got all pinterest domains blocked, along with a bunch of "news" outlets that don't actually produce anything good in the world. Similarly I have stuff like reddit, hackernews etc boosted in the results if they match. I did the free trial for a while and only used Kagi for a while, still going strong with the $5 300 searches per month tier. I don't really need to search that much because the results are usually correct the first time :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schrodingers_dinger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Yep. I'm 100% sold on it. Thank you very much kind human. It's crazy how used to Google I had become. Not thinking about features which would be helpful like simply raising/lowering a sites visibility. It even has done well for me when it comes to local searches! Truly a game changer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago* (3 children) What is Kati and is it actually good? Edit: Is it kagi? https://kagi.com/ Seems like something I'd be into but I'm also not a fan of my search results being logged against me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) First time I've heard of them. I like the concept but 5$ a month for only 300 search makes me think that you'd still need another search engine on the side, or pay for the more expensive plan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The 300 searches goes pretty far because you usually get the correct result the first time. Also you can just use hashbangs to search directly from a site like imdb, letterboxd, goodreads etc so those don't count against the 300 either. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Bongles@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well luckily for you, they don't do that. It doesn't maintain a search history at all which has its pros and cons. The only reason you have to login to use it is to check your payment level to determine your feature access. It is nice that login also allows you to use the same settings for multiple devices. One of those settings I really like is hiding results from certain websites (e.g. pinterest). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds ideal, but there's no way we can ever truly know, is there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redeven@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can never truly know about almost any online service, you kinda just have to take their word for it, do some research, and pick the option that best matches both the performance and philosophy you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yup, same reason I don't do VPN services. This is actually a perfect example of my concerns: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent [–] dco@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I think they mean the fact they count each search you do, and depending on your pricing plan, can run out of searches in a month.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not worried about Kagi's privacy, the only thing you need to give them is an email address (which is kind of a no-brainer if they need to contact you). You can pay with Bitcoin if you want more privacy. And they don't even allow you to store your own search history, because they don't want to save it anywhere. "Save My Search History Currently this option can not be turned on. Kagi does not save any searches by default. In the future we may add features that will utilize your search history and then we will allow you to enable this." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NanoooK@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) First time I've heard of them. I like the concept but 5$ a month for only 300 search makes me think that you'd still need another search engine on the side, or pay for the more expensive plan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The 300 searches goes pretty far because you usually get the correct result the first time. Also you can just use hashbangs to search directly from a site like imdb, letterboxd, goodreads etc so those don't count against the 300 either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The 300 searches goes pretty far because you usually get the correct result the first time. Also you can just use hashbangs to search directly from a site like imdb, letterboxd, goodreads etc so those don't count against the 300 either. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Bongles@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well luckily for you, they don't do that. It doesn't maintain a search history at all which has its pros and cons. The only reason you have to login to use it is to check your payment level to determine your feature access. It is nice that login also allows you to use the same settings for multiple devices. One of those settings I really like is hiding results from certain websites (e.g. pinterest). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds ideal, but there's no way we can ever truly know, is there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redeven@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can never truly know about almost any online service, you kinda just have to take their word for it, do some research, and pick the option that best matches both the performance and philosophy you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yup, same reason I don't do VPN services. This is actually a perfect example of my concerns: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent [–] dco@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I think they mean the fact they count each search you do, and depending on your pricing plan, can run out of searches in a month.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well luckily for you, they don't do that. It doesn't maintain a search history at all which has its pros and cons. The only reason you have to login to use it is to check your payment level to determine your feature access. It is nice that login also allows you to use the same settings for multiple devices. One of those settings I really like is hiding results from certain websites (e.g. pinterest). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds ideal, but there's no way we can ever truly know, is there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redeven@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can never truly know about almost any online service, you kinda just have to take their word for it, do some research, and pick the option that best matches both the performance and philosophy you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yup, same reason I don't do VPN services. This is actually a perfect example of my concerns: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shasta@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well luckily for you, they don't do that. It doesn't maintain a search history at all which has its pros and cons. The only reason you have to login to use it is to check your payment level to determine your feature access. It is nice that login also allows you to use the same settings for multiple devices. One of those settings I really like is hiding results from certain websites (e.g. pinterest). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds ideal, but there's no way we can ever truly know, is there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redeven@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can never truly know about almost any online service, you kinda just have to take their word for it, do some research, and pick the option that best matches both the performance and philosophy you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yup, same reason I don't do VPN services. This is actually a perfect example of my concerns: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds ideal, but there's no way we can ever truly know, is there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redeven@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can never truly know about almost any online service, you kinda just have to take their word for it, do some research, and pick the option that best matches both the performance and philosophy you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yup, same reason I don't do VPN services. This is actually a perfect example of my concerns: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] redeven@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can never truly know about almost any online service, you kinda just have to take their word for it, do some research, and pick the option that best matches both the performance and philosophy you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yup, same reason I don't do VPN services. This is actually a perfect example of my concerns: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Yup, same reason I don't do VPN services. This is actually a perfect example of my concerns: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58476983 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago If privacy is your goal, Mullvad is the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad They have been targeted by law enforcement and haven't given anything because they don't have anything to give. Mullvad does not log VPN users': IP addresses, the VPN IP address used, browsing activity, bandwidth, connections, session duration, timestamps, and DNS requests They don't even have user accounts, you just have an account number and you can buy more credits even by mailing cash to them if you're really gung-ho about being private. I usually just use my excess Bitcoin to top up when I need to use it (they give a 10% discount for blockchain purchases) But if you need to get past geolocking or have huge download speeds for pirating, then they're not what you're looking for. I use Mullvad on my mobile router so every time I log in at a hotel or similar, all of my devices are behind VPN automatically permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Further reading for those who don't have a tinfoil hat yet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wikibot@lemmy.world [B] 2 points 2 years ago Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment: Lavabit is an open-source encrypted webmail service, founded in 2004. The service suspended its operations on August 8, 2013 after the U. S. Federal Government ordered it to turn over its Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) private keys, in order to allow the government to spy on Edward Snowden's email. Lavabit's owner and operator, Ladar Levison, announced on January 20, 2017 that Lavabit would start operating again, using the new Dark Internet Mail Environment (DIME), which is an end-to-end email encryption platform designed to be more surveillance-resistant. ^to^ ^opt^ ^out^^,^ ^pm^ ^me^ ^'optout'.^ ^article^ ^|^ ^about^ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dco@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I think they mean the fact they count each search you do, and depending on your pricing plan, can run out of searches in a month.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not worried about Kagi's privacy, the only thing you need to give them is an email address (which is kind of a no-brainer if they need to contact you). You can pay with Bitcoin if you want more privacy. And they don't even allow you to store your own search history, because they don't want to save it anywhere. "Save My Search History Currently this option can not be turned on. Kagi does not save any searches by default. In the future we may add features that will utilize your search history and then we will allow you to enable this." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you find the limited number of searches enough? I’d do it if it were unlimited for $5, but not going to pay $10 for a search engine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The summariser works on Youtube videos too btw... You can just do !sum and get a summary of what they're saying in seconds. Changed my life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Works fine for me on the starter tier, it used to behind the early access tier (Ultimate?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's either money or your data. I prefer to pay with money. If enough people do, the price might lower (hopeium) or the competition might increase for the same service, creating better or cheaper services in the same space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Exactly. If you're not paying, you're most likely the product being sold. People always keep forgetting that Google (or Alphabet) is an ad company, that does tech stuff with its 20% time. Everything they do is geared towards delivering more ads more efficiently. This is why I've paid for email for years to Fastmail referral link Similarly I started paying Kagi for searches, mostly because their results are better than DDG, which I used for years. And, like the people I know from infosec, my phone is from Apple. They're the only company who makes you pay through the nose for the hardware and because of that specifically do everything they can not to know anything about you. (One of the reasons why Siri sucks so bad btw) permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought I'd burn through them but I haven't had an issue. I use DDG for low hanging fruit but I'm going to stop bothering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I'm at 243 searches now and it resets in 8 days. Seems to be enough for me. I do use bangs quite a bit, so if I need to find a movie I go !imdb the matrix and if I'm looking for a book I can go !gr rando splicer which saves on search credits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] apex32@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you call "!" a hashbang? "#" is a hash "!" is a bang "#!" is a hashbang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Not enough coffee, edited =) permalink fedilink source parent [–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Where do you see that number? I'm trying to find mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) settings -> billing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I have made 1,617 searches since October permalink fedilink source parent [–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Depends. I use search engines a lot as a programmer. I have over 600 so far. But the results have been good. I'm willing to pay for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The summariser works on Youtube videos too btw... You can just do !sum and get a summary of what they're saying in seconds. Changed my life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Works fine for me on the starter tier, it used to behind the early access tier (Ultimate?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The summariser works on Youtube videos too btw... You can just do !sum and get a summary of what they're saying in seconds. Changed my life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Works fine for me on the starter tier, it used to behind the early access tier (Ultimate?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Works fine for me on the starter tier, it used to behind the early access tier (Ultimate?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Works fine for me on the starter tier, it used to behind the early access tier (Ultimate?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's either money or your data. I prefer to pay with money. If enough people do, the price might lower (hopeium) or the competition might increase for the same service, creating better or cheaper services in the same space. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Exactly. If you're not paying, you're most likely the product being sold. People always keep forgetting that Google (or Alphabet) is an ad company, that does tech stuff with its 20% time. Everything they do is geared towards delivering more ads more efficiently. This is why I've paid for email for years to Fastmail referral link Similarly I started paying Kagi for searches, mostly because their results are better than DDG, which I used for years. And, like the people I know from infosec, my phone is from Apple. They're the only company who makes you pay through the nose for the hardware and because of that specifically do everything they can not to know anything about you. (One of the reasons why Siri sucks so bad btw) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Exactly. If you're not paying, you're most likely the product being sold. People always keep forgetting that Google (or Alphabet) is an ad company, that does tech stuff with its 20% time. Everything they do is geared towards delivering more ads more efficiently. This is why I've paid for email for years to Fastmail referral link Similarly I started paying Kagi for searches, mostly because their results are better than DDG, which I used for years. And, like the people I know from infosec, my phone is from Apple. They're the only company who makes you pay through the nose for the hardware and because of that specifically do everything they can not to know anything about you. (One of the reasons why Siri sucks so bad btw) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought I'd burn through them but I haven't had an issue. I use DDG for low hanging fruit but I'm going to stop bothering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I'm at 243 searches now and it resets in 8 days. Seems to be enough for me. I do use bangs quite a bit, so if I need to find a movie I go !imdb the matrix and if I'm looking for a book I can go !gr rando splicer which saves on search credits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] apex32@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you call "!" a hashbang? "#" is a hash "!" is a bang "#!" is a hashbang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Not enough coffee, edited =) permalink fedilink source parent [–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Where do you see that number? I'm trying to find mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) settings -> billing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I have made 1,617 searches since October permalink fedilink source parent
[–] apex32@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why do you call "!" a hashbang? "#" is a hash "!" is a bang "#!" is a hashbang permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Not enough coffee, edited =) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Not enough coffee, edited =) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Where do you see that number? I'm trying to find mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) settings -> billing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I have made 1,617 searches since October permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) settings -> billing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I have made 1,617 searches since October permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I have made 1,617 searches since October permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Depends. I use search engines a lot as a programmer. I have over 600 so far. But the results have been good. I'm willing to pay for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schrodingers_dinger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You may have changed my life with kagi. It is amazing so far at giving the results I want, and categorizing stuff like discussions so you don't have to add "Reddit" at the end of every search to get decent results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And you can easily block or boost sites in the search results: I've got all pinterest domains blocked, along with a bunch of "news" outlets that don't actually produce anything good in the world. Similarly I have stuff like reddit, hackernews etc boosted in the results if they match. I did the free trial for a while and only used Kagi for a while, still going strong with the $5 300 searches per month tier. I don't really need to search that much because the results are usually correct the first time :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schrodingers_dinger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Yep. I'm 100% sold on it. Thank you very much kind human. It's crazy how used to Google I had become. Not thinking about features which would be helpful like simply raising/lowering a sites visibility. It even has done well for me when it comes to local searches! Truly a game changer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And you can easily block or boost sites in the search results: I've got all pinterest domains blocked, along with a bunch of "news" outlets that don't actually produce anything good in the world. Similarly I have stuff like reddit, hackernews etc boosted in the results if they match. I did the free trial for a while and only used Kagi for a while, still going strong with the $5 300 searches per month tier. I don't really need to search that much because the results are usually correct the first time :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schrodingers_dinger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Yep. I'm 100% sold on it. Thank you very much kind human. It's crazy how used to Google I had become. Not thinking about features which would be helpful like simply raising/lowering a sites visibility. It even has done well for me when it comes to local searches! Truly a game changer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schrodingers_dinger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Yep. I'm 100% sold on it. Thank you very much kind human. It's crazy how used to Google I had become. Not thinking about features which would be helpful like simply raising/lowering a sites visibility. It even has done well for me when it comes to local searches! Truly a game changer. permalink fedilink source parent