▲ 48 ▼ Ford Says It's Committed to V-8 Mustangs Regardless of What Others Do (www.roadandtrack.com) submitted 2 years ago by TheArstaInventor@lemmy.world to c/cars@lemmy.world 29 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I wouldn’t be against an electric mustang (not an suv) with a simulated manual gearbox. I hope one day someone is gonna create such an affordable EV dream 🤞 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) What would a simulated manual do??? It would just be a stick in the middle of a car that does nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well it would add a layer of interaction in an otherwise more boring car. Of course it wouldn’t be the real thing, but it would be better than just having a kind of automatic transmission all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I get it, it makes you feel that you have the control on whatever is happening and certainly feels cool to successively heel-and-toe and rev match. But a gearbox (man or auto) has always been a mechanical band-aid for a motor system with a narrow torque band. On electric motors this isn't necessary and adding simulated shifting is just adding a layer of complexity for no real reason. Of course I'm speaking of theory and mechanics, people have their own idea of what's best sometimes don't follow logic, and that's fine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Well I love playing racing games like Gran Turismo 7 or Project Cars 2. In these there would be no mechanical need to steer or just change gears as there is clearly nothing mechanical happening. Still I get a lot of fun doing that and I’m spending more time doing that than racing on a real race track. So, a simulated gearbox would be like adding a game on top of the EV driving experience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I think he just means that rowing his own gears is fun to him, and if his goal is a fun car, then an electric psuedo-manual might be logical. For me personally, the control is what's fun, so I think that I could still enjoy a good handling ev with regen forces comparable to engine braking, gears or no. But for ice, I only drive manual. Not because I need it or get better mpg, but because it's fun permalink fedilink source parent [–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago ?? Okay. Is meaningless interaction, interaction?. Why not add a fidget spinner or a button you randomly push. There are no gears. You can't even pretend to select them like in a CVT. If you want more interaction work on making your diving more precise. Two foot the pedals, trail brake and find the late apex. Okay well maybe not but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sparky1337@ttrpg.network 1 point 2 years ago Toyota has a manual EV in prototyping and it even simulates stalling or lugging gears. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) What would a simulated manual do??? It would just be a stick in the middle of a car that does nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well it would add a layer of interaction in an otherwise more boring car. Of course it wouldn’t be the real thing, but it would be better than just having a kind of automatic transmission all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I get it, it makes you feel that you have the control on whatever is happening and certainly feels cool to successively heel-and-toe and rev match. But a gearbox (man or auto) has always been a mechanical band-aid for a motor system with a narrow torque band. On electric motors this isn't necessary and adding simulated shifting is just adding a layer of complexity for no real reason. Of course I'm speaking of theory and mechanics, people have their own idea of what's best sometimes don't follow logic, and that's fine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Well I love playing racing games like Gran Turismo 7 or Project Cars 2. In these there would be no mechanical need to steer or just change gears as there is clearly nothing mechanical happening. Still I get a lot of fun doing that and I’m spending more time doing that than racing on a real race track. So, a simulated gearbox would be like adding a game on top of the EV driving experience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I think he just means that rowing his own gears is fun to him, and if his goal is a fun car, then an electric psuedo-manual might be logical. For me personally, the control is what's fun, so I think that I could still enjoy a good handling ev with regen forces comparable to engine braking, gears or no. But for ice, I only drive manual. Not because I need it or get better mpg, but because it's fun permalink fedilink source parent [–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago ?? Okay. Is meaningless interaction, interaction?. Why not add a fidget spinner or a button you randomly push. There are no gears. You can't even pretend to select them like in a CVT. If you want more interaction work on making your diving more precise. Two foot the pedals, trail brake and find the late apex. Okay well maybe not but still. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well it would add a layer of interaction in an otherwise more boring car. Of course it wouldn’t be the real thing, but it would be better than just having a kind of automatic transmission all the time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I get it, it makes you feel that you have the control on whatever is happening and certainly feels cool to successively heel-and-toe and rev match. But a gearbox (man or auto) has always been a mechanical band-aid for a motor system with a narrow torque band. On electric motors this isn't necessary and adding simulated shifting is just adding a layer of complexity for no real reason. Of course I'm speaking of theory and mechanics, people have their own idea of what's best sometimes don't follow logic, and that's fine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Well I love playing racing games like Gran Turismo 7 or Project Cars 2. In these there would be no mechanical need to steer or just change gears as there is clearly nothing mechanical happening. Still I get a lot of fun doing that and I’m spending more time doing that than racing on a real race track. So, a simulated gearbox would be like adding a game on top of the EV driving experience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I think he just means that rowing his own gears is fun to him, and if his goal is a fun car, then an electric psuedo-manual might be logical. For me personally, the control is what's fun, so I think that I could still enjoy a good handling ev with regen forces comparable to engine braking, gears or no. But for ice, I only drive manual. Not because I need it or get better mpg, but because it's fun permalink fedilink source parent [–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago ?? Okay. Is meaningless interaction, interaction?. Why not add a fidget spinner or a button you randomly push. There are no gears. You can't even pretend to select them like in a CVT. If you want more interaction work on making your diving more precise. Two foot the pedals, trail brake and find the late apex. Okay well maybe not but still. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I get it, it makes you feel that you have the control on whatever is happening and certainly feels cool to successively heel-and-toe and rev match. But a gearbox (man or auto) has always been a mechanical band-aid for a motor system with a narrow torque band. On electric motors this isn't necessary and adding simulated shifting is just adding a layer of complexity for no real reason. Of course I'm speaking of theory and mechanics, people have their own idea of what's best sometimes don't follow logic, and that's fine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Well I love playing racing games like Gran Turismo 7 or Project Cars 2. In these there would be no mechanical need to steer or just change gears as there is clearly nothing mechanical happening. Still I get a lot of fun doing that and I’m spending more time doing that than racing on a real race track. So, a simulated gearbox would be like adding a game on top of the EV driving experience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I think he just means that rowing his own gears is fun to him, and if his goal is a fun car, then an electric psuedo-manual might be logical. For me personally, the control is what's fun, so I think that I could still enjoy a good handling ev with regen forces comparable to engine braking, gears or no. But for ice, I only drive manual. Not because I need it or get better mpg, but because it's fun permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Well I love playing racing games like Gran Turismo 7 or Project Cars 2. In these there would be no mechanical need to steer or just change gears as there is clearly nothing mechanical happening. Still I get a lot of fun doing that and I’m spending more time doing that than racing on a real race track. So, a simulated gearbox would be like adding a game on top of the EV driving experience. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I think he just means that rowing his own gears is fun to him, and if his goal is a fun car, then an electric psuedo-manual might be logical. For me personally, the control is what's fun, so I think that I could still enjoy a good handling ev with regen forces comparable to engine braking, gears or no. But for ice, I only drive manual. Not because I need it or get better mpg, but because it's fun permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago ?? Okay. Is meaningless interaction, interaction?. Why not add a fidget spinner or a button you randomly push. There are no gears. You can't even pretend to select them like in a CVT. If you want more interaction work on making your diving more precise. Two foot the pedals, trail brake and find the late apex. Okay well maybe not but still. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sparky1337@ttrpg.network 1 point 2 years ago Toyota has a manual EV in prototyping and it even simulates stalling or lugging gears. permalink fedilink source parent