Even people who build their own computers usually buy all the RAM they want at the time that they're building it.

The biggest difference to them is likely the feeling that they're losing their ability to upgrade, more than the actual upgrade itself. I still think that feeling is an important factor, though.

Frame.work laptops have non soldered, upgradable DDR5 memory. In fact, you can buy a laptop with no memory and just buy it somewhere else and install it yourself.

I always think of my old Asus eePc netbook from 2010 that had a special compartment that was accessible from outside without opening up the notebook itself, just so that users would be able to upgrade their RAM. How did times change from "help the user to get what he needs" to "help the user get what we need". Personally I blame Apple for this tbh.

This is how this looked: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2007/12/add_more_storage_space_to_your_asus_eee_pc/panel.jpg

And the best part: My son is using this netbook now with a light weight linux. I actually switched the RAM 2 month ago. It even plays Minecraft and he draws on it with my drawing tablet.

But even soldered ram isn’t as bad as in-cpu ram. Soldered ram can be replaced/upgraded by skilled technicians. I don’t think that’s possible at all with in-cpu ram.

Yeah, but at least for now, we can still buy laptops with unsoldered RAM and storage.🤞

Besides, Apple is more of a cult than a tech company, so I am not convinced their customers should be taken as an example of a natural customer's behavior.

And I agree that most users don't care, although, this is mostly true in corporate environments, where computers have an expected lifespan of 3 years tops. In that case having the RAM soldered or not does not change anything, as the machine will get spec'ed according to what the company needs, and will get replaced before it ever reaches obsolescence.

For the end users, many still consider keeping a machine 5+ years, and if you check the average "long lasting" (~2k USD) machine from 5 years ago, it is an 8th gen i5 (4 cores, 8 threads) with 8GB of DDR4 and 256GB, or at best 512GB SSDs. Not that those are terrible specs by today's standard, but the people who spent 2k on a machine back then will probably want to have at least 16G of RAM now. And 1TB SSDs. And if at all possible, more than 8 threads. Heck, I just got a workstation for 550 bucks that has a ryzen 7 with 16 threads...

And that's where companies like framework come in. I advocate for them as much as possible, along with companies like system76 and purism. If we keep voting with our wallets for such companies, even if the CPUs becomes a SoC entirely, we will still get to have upgradability paths thanks the modularity of their laptops.

Edit: as expected, religious people got offended about me calling out their religion, thus proving my point. 🥲

Edit 2: don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that Apple has a good tech stack (as a BSD lover, that would be silly), and that the Lemmy audience is likely aware of that too. But it is also abundantly clear that the overwhelming majority of the Apple customers have absolutely zero idea what makes their "must have" tech stand out, and are merely in for the cult part. If Apple would stop making sense technologically, it wouldn't make the slightest difference to them.