▲ 651 ▼ As folks freeze to death in Milwaukee, Ohio pastor charged for offering shelter (www.jsonline.com) submitted 2 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/news@lemmy.world 110 comments fedilink hide all child comments Whose responsibility is it to protect unhoused when it's freezing outside? An Ohio pastor opened his church to the homeless and was charged by city.
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yet another evil created by zoning laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan1101@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't know, we don't want a shooting range next to a preschool or something. Zoning does some good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) Since when did we care about children getting shot at school? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pm_me_titties@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago Zoning is there to prevent wasting those targets by accident /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh come on. This is absolutely a government overreach.. yes, regulations can be good. They were not in this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation, but it seems to me the problem here isn’t the zoning laws, but draconian enforcement during an emergency. Usually in times of hardship, anyone with half a brain knows not to strictly enforce laws like this that were clearly not intended to stop churches, businesses, or private individuals from helping people. It’s like charging someone for violating zoning by taking in neighbours whose homes were destroyed. In normal times, there are laws against turning yourself into a boarding house without a permit, but nobody reasonable would enforce that after a tornado. The problem is moronic enforcement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago The regulation/law could have been written better. That's why I called it overreach. They could have written an emergency clause or wrote an emergency regulation/law that specified overruling certain laws. That's what I meant by overreach. I'm generally pro regulations when it comes to safety which is what the sleeping and eating one I assume was written about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You mean like here in maryville, tn, where the new Smith and Wesson factory and test range shares a property line with Middlesettlements Elementary School? Nothing quite like kids hearing gunshots outside at school. And it wasn’t just “allowed” by zoning laws. The city basically did backflips to get the plant to move here. They even convinced the city of Alcoa to cede the land to the city of Maryville without telling Alcoa why they wanted it. Bunch of shady shit all around, but the whole county basically sucks Smith and Wesson’s dick now. They even had a big festival on the day the plant opened to celebrate it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago Wouldn't a daycare/private preschool and a gun range both be the same light commercial zones? There might be regulation keeping you from owning a gun range near a school, but I don't think zoning helps permalink fedilink source parent [–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Seems like a shooting range next to a school could be a deterrent. Hmmm, which school to shoot up? This one next to a bunch of folks with weapons and ammo within arms reach practicing marksmanship or any of these other ones without that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not this zoning. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) I don't know, we don't want a shooting range next to a preschool or something. Zoning does some good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) Since when did we care about children getting shot at school? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pm_me_titties@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago Zoning is there to prevent wasting those targets by accident /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh come on. This is absolutely a government overreach.. yes, regulations can be good. They were not in this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation, but it seems to me the problem here isn’t the zoning laws, but draconian enforcement during an emergency. Usually in times of hardship, anyone with half a brain knows not to strictly enforce laws like this that were clearly not intended to stop churches, businesses, or private individuals from helping people. It’s like charging someone for violating zoning by taking in neighbours whose homes were destroyed. In normal times, there are laws against turning yourself into a boarding house without a permit, but nobody reasonable would enforce that after a tornado. The problem is moronic enforcement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago The regulation/law could have been written better. That's why I called it overreach. They could have written an emergency clause or wrote an emergency regulation/law that specified overruling certain laws. That's what I meant by overreach. I'm generally pro regulations when it comes to safety which is what the sleeping and eating one I assume was written about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You mean like here in maryville, tn, where the new Smith and Wesson factory and test range shares a property line with Middlesettlements Elementary School? Nothing quite like kids hearing gunshots outside at school. And it wasn’t just “allowed” by zoning laws. The city basically did backflips to get the plant to move here. They even convinced the city of Alcoa to cede the land to the city of Maryville without telling Alcoa why they wanted it. Bunch of shady shit all around, but the whole county basically sucks Smith and Wesson’s dick now. They even had a big festival on the day the plant opened to celebrate it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago Wouldn't a daycare/private preschool and a gun range both be the same light commercial zones? There might be regulation keeping you from owning a gun range near a school, but I don't think zoning helps permalink fedilink source parent [–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Seems like a shooting range next to a school could be a deterrent. Hmmm, which school to shoot up? This one next to a bunch of folks with weapons and ammo within arms reach practicing marksmanship or any of these other ones without that? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not this zoning. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) Since when did we care about children getting shot at school? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pm_me_titties@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago Zoning is there to prevent wasting those targets by accident /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pm_me_titties@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 2 years ago Zoning is there to prevent wasting those targets by accident /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh come on. This is absolutely a government overreach.. yes, regulations can be good. They were not in this case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation, but it seems to me the problem here isn’t the zoning laws, but draconian enforcement during an emergency. Usually in times of hardship, anyone with half a brain knows not to strictly enforce laws like this that were clearly not intended to stop churches, businesses, or private individuals from helping people. It’s like charging someone for violating zoning by taking in neighbours whose homes were destroyed. In normal times, there are laws against turning yourself into a boarding house without a permit, but nobody reasonable would enforce that after a tornado. The problem is moronic enforcement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago The regulation/law could have been written better. That's why I called it overreach. They could have written an emergency clause or wrote an emergency regulation/law that specified overruling certain laws. That's what I meant by overreach. I'm generally pro regulations when it comes to safety which is what the sleeping and eating one I assume was written about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation, but it seems to me the problem here isn’t the zoning laws, but draconian enforcement during an emergency. Usually in times of hardship, anyone with half a brain knows not to strictly enforce laws like this that were clearly not intended to stop churches, businesses, or private individuals from helping people. It’s like charging someone for violating zoning by taking in neighbours whose homes were destroyed. In normal times, there are laws against turning yourself into a boarding house without a permit, but nobody reasonable would enforce that after a tornado. The problem is moronic enforcement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago The regulation/law could have been written better. That's why I called it overreach. They could have written an emergency clause or wrote an emergency regulation/law that specified overruling certain laws. That's what I meant by overreach. I'm generally pro regulations when it comes to safety which is what the sleeping and eating one I assume was written about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago The regulation/law could have been written better. That's why I called it overreach. They could have written an emergency clause or wrote an emergency regulation/law that specified overruling certain laws. That's what I meant by overreach. I'm generally pro regulations when it comes to safety which is what the sleeping and eating one I assume was written about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You mean like here in maryville, tn, where the new Smith and Wesson factory and test range shares a property line with Middlesettlements Elementary School? Nothing quite like kids hearing gunshots outside at school. And it wasn’t just “allowed” by zoning laws. The city basically did backflips to get the plant to move here. They even convinced the city of Alcoa to cede the land to the city of Maryville without telling Alcoa why they wanted it. Bunch of shady shit all around, but the whole county basically sucks Smith and Wesson’s dick now. They even had a big festival on the day the plant opened to celebrate it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago Wouldn't a daycare/private preschool and a gun range both be the same light commercial zones? There might be regulation keeping you from owning a gun range near a school, but I don't think zoning helps permalink fedilink source parent
[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Seems like a shooting range next to a school could be a deterrent. Hmmm, which school to shoot up? This one next to a bunch of folks with weapons and ammo within arms reach practicing marksmanship or any of these other ones without that? permalink fedilink source parent