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[+] TiredNerdDad@lemmy.ml -29 points 3 years ago (9 children) 2023 is the year of self-implosions. Time to switch to opera permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] beckerist@lemmy.world 53 points 3 years ago (1 child) Opera is chromium based. Try Firefox permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 15 points 3 years ago Opera is chromium based with ties to the damned CCP. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 34 points 3 years ago (1 child) "Chrome is a problem, better switch to chromium" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steeev@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Well, actually ... Ungoogled Chromium Edit: formatting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ungoogled or not, chromium is still a problem. It has become the defacto render engine, and Google is pulling the same shit as MS did with IE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Benjameee@snowstorm.online -5 points 3 years ago (3 children) Some day someone is gonna have to explain this take to me. Standards for the web are a good thing. Websites being slightly different to straight up breaking depending on what browser you use is an awful user experience. I see nothing wrong with everyone defaulting to blink and v8. Makes the web better for everyone be it users or developers. Chromium is open source! It feels like people's blind hatred / paranoia of big tech makes people reject it on principle more than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 5 points 3 years ago They are trying to develope enough dependency on them that they could stop being open source and the majority of browsers and websites dependent on their development just fold and allow google to control the internet. Big companies only let stuff be open source in order to rugpull it if and when it would allow them to be successfully anticompetitive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] strepto@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago* Standards are good. What's not good is that Google controls the standards. Open source or not, Google currently has the ability to dictate web standards as they see fit. Why? There are 2 reasons: Chrome has a 63.55% marketshare (as of the time of this writing) of all web browser usage Maintaining your own fork of Chromium or even your own separate browser engine (Like Firefox does) is extremely difficult. There's a reason so many of these browsers just use Chromium. It's because Google is doing the Lion's share of the work. Modern web browsers are some of the most complicated pieces of software ever written. They are comparable in complexity to entire operating systems. When Google makes a change to the Chromium project everyone follows suit, lest you fork it which leaves development and ensuring interoperability entirely up to you. The complexity of this task depends on how far you want to take your browser. Even those who fork Chromium will pull changes made by Google to the original Chromium project because making and maintaining your own web browser is really, really difficult. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Contend6248@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Well that's the whole fun of 50 chromium forks, upstream which is chromium will fuck them up, they will make breaking changes just so that forks can finally not steer around it without putting heavy lifting in it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] original_ish_name@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago Opera is spyware permalink fedilink source parent [–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago Opera won't save you permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pfnic@feddit.ch 7 points 3 years ago If it had to be a chromium browser, I guess I'd try Vivaldi. I'm happy with Librewolf and Firefox though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago They've abandoned Presto a long long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Don't use Opera. The current company behind it is evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net 2 points 3 years ago @nudnyekscentryk @TiredNerdDad, the biggest problem of big commercial companies is the complete absence of scruples and ethics regarding the user. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xtrudrx@lemmy.dropdoos.nl 3 points 3 years ago That would be either Firefox or LibreWolf then since all the others including Opera are Chromium based under the hood. Let's support true Open Source. permalink fedilink source parent [–] minikieff@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Who knew the Titan was just the beginning? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beckerist@lemmy.world 53 points 3 years ago (1 child) Opera is chromium based. Try Firefox permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 15 points 3 years ago Opera is chromium based with ties to the damned CCP. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 15 points 3 years ago Opera is chromium based with ties to the damned CCP. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 34 points 3 years ago (1 child) "Chrome is a problem, better switch to chromium" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] steeev@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Well, actually ... Ungoogled Chromium Edit: formatting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ungoogled or not, chromium is still a problem. It has become the defacto render engine, and Google is pulling the same shit as MS did with IE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Benjameee@snowstorm.online -5 points 3 years ago (3 children) Some day someone is gonna have to explain this take to me. Standards for the web are a good thing. Websites being slightly different to straight up breaking depending on what browser you use is an awful user experience. I see nothing wrong with everyone defaulting to blink and v8. Makes the web better for everyone be it users or developers. Chromium is open source! It feels like people's blind hatred / paranoia of big tech makes people reject it on principle more than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 5 points 3 years ago They are trying to develope enough dependency on them that they could stop being open source and the majority of browsers and websites dependent on their development just fold and allow google to control the internet. Big companies only let stuff be open source in order to rugpull it if and when it would allow them to be successfully anticompetitive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] strepto@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago* Standards are good. What's not good is that Google controls the standards. Open source or not, Google currently has the ability to dictate web standards as they see fit. Why? There are 2 reasons: Chrome has a 63.55% marketshare (as of the time of this writing) of all web browser usage Maintaining your own fork of Chromium or even your own separate browser engine (Like Firefox does) is extremely difficult. There's a reason so many of these browsers just use Chromium. It's because Google is doing the Lion's share of the work. Modern web browsers are some of the most complicated pieces of software ever written. They are comparable in complexity to entire operating systems. When Google makes a change to the Chromium project everyone follows suit, lest you fork it which leaves development and ensuring interoperability entirely up to you. The complexity of this task depends on how far you want to take your browser. Even those who fork Chromium will pull changes made by Google to the original Chromium project because making and maintaining your own web browser is really, really difficult. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Contend6248@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Well that's the whole fun of 50 chromium forks, upstream which is chromium will fuck them up, they will make breaking changes just so that forks can finally not steer around it without putting heavy lifting in it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] steeev@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Well, actually ... Ungoogled Chromium Edit: formatting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ungoogled or not, chromium is still a problem. It has become the defacto render engine, and Google is pulling the same shit as MS did with IE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Benjameee@snowstorm.online -5 points 3 years ago (3 children) Some day someone is gonna have to explain this take to me. Standards for the web are a good thing. Websites being slightly different to straight up breaking depending on what browser you use is an awful user experience. I see nothing wrong with everyone defaulting to blink and v8. Makes the web better for everyone be it users or developers. Chromium is open source! It feels like people's blind hatred / paranoia of big tech makes people reject it on principle more than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 5 points 3 years ago They are trying to develope enough dependency on them that they could stop being open source and the majority of browsers and websites dependent on their development just fold and allow google to control the internet. Big companies only let stuff be open source in order to rugpull it if and when it would allow them to be successfully anticompetitive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] strepto@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago* Standards are good. What's not good is that Google controls the standards. Open source or not, Google currently has the ability to dictate web standards as they see fit. Why? There are 2 reasons: Chrome has a 63.55% marketshare (as of the time of this writing) of all web browser usage Maintaining your own fork of Chromium or even your own separate browser engine (Like Firefox does) is extremely difficult. There's a reason so many of these browsers just use Chromium. It's because Google is doing the Lion's share of the work. Modern web browsers are some of the most complicated pieces of software ever written. They are comparable in complexity to entire operating systems. When Google makes a change to the Chromium project everyone follows suit, lest you fork it which leaves development and ensuring interoperability entirely up to you. The complexity of this task depends on how far you want to take your browser. Even those who fork Chromium will pull changes made by Google to the original Chromium project because making and maintaining your own web browser is really, really difficult. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Contend6248@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Well that's the whole fun of 50 chromium forks, upstream which is chromium will fuck them up, they will make breaking changes just so that forks can finally not steer around it without putting heavy lifting in it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ungoogled or not, chromium is still a problem. It has become the defacto render engine, and Google is pulling the same shit as MS did with IE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Benjameee@snowstorm.online -5 points 3 years ago (3 children) Some day someone is gonna have to explain this take to me. Standards for the web are a good thing. Websites being slightly different to straight up breaking depending on what browser you use is an awful user experience. I see nothing wrong with everyone defaulting to blink and v8. Makes the web better for everyone be it users or developers. Chromium is open source! It feels like people's blind hatred / paranoia of big tech makes people reject it on principle more than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 5 points 3 years ago They are trying to develope enough dependency on them that they could stop being open source and the majority of browsers and websites dependent on their development just fold and allow google to control the internet. Big companies only let stuff be open source in order to rugpull it if and when it would allow them to be successfully anticompetitive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] strepto@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago* Standards are good. What's not good is that Google controls the standards. Open source or not, Google currently has the ability to dictate web standards as they see fit. Why? There are 2 reasons: Chrome has a 63.55% marketshare (as of the time of this writing) of all web browser usage Maintaining your own fork of Chromium or even your own separate browser engine (Like Firefox does) is extremely difficult. There's a reason so many of these browsers just use Chromium. It's because Google is doing the Lion's share of the work. Modern web browsers are some of the most complicated pieces of software ever written. They are comparable in complexity to entire operating systems. When Google makes a change to the Chromium project everyone follows suit, lest you fork it which leaves development and ensuring interoperability entirely up to you. The complexity of this task depends on how far you want to take your browser. Even those who fork Chromium will pull changes made by Google to the original Chromium project because making and maintaining your own web browser is really, really difficult. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Benjameee@snowstorm.online -5 points 3 years ago (3 children) Some day someone is gonna have to explain this take to me. Standards for the web are a good thing. Websites being slightly different to straight up breaking depending on what browser you use is an awful user experience. I see nothing wrong with everyone defaulting to blink and v8. Makes the web better for everyone be it users or developers. Chromium is open source! It feels like people's blind hatred / paranoia of big tech makes people reject it on principle more than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 5 points 3 years ago They are trying to develope enough dependency on them that they could stop being open source and the majority of browsers and websites dependent on their development just fold and allow google to control the internet. Big companies only let stuff be open source in order to rugpull it if and when it would allow them to be successfully anticompetitive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] strepto@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago* Standards are good. What's not good is that Google controls the standards. Open source or not, Google currently has the ability to dictate web standards as they see fit. Why? There are 2 reasons: Chrome has a 63.55% marketshare (as of the time of this writing) of all web browser usage Maintaining your own fork of Chromium or even your own separate browser engine (Like Firefox does) is extremely difficult. There's a reason so many of these browsers just use Chromium. It's because Google is doing the Lion's share of the work. Modern web browsers are some of the most complicated pieces of software ever written. They are comparable in complexity to entire operating systems. When Google makes a change to the Chromium project everyone follows suit, lest you fork it which leaves development and ensuring interoperability entirely up to you. The complexity of this task depends on how far you want to take your browser. Even those who fork Chromium will pull changes made by Google to the original Chromium project because making and maintaining your own web browser is really, really difficult. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 5 points 3 years ago They are trying to develope enough dependency on them that they could stop being open source and the majority of browsers and websites dependent on their development just fold and allow google to control the internet. Big companies only let stuff be open source in order to rugpull it if and when it would allow them to be successfully anticompetitive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] strepto@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago* Standards are good. What's not good is that Google controls the standards. Open source or not, Google currently has the ability to dictate web standards as they see fit. Why? There are 2 reasons: Chrome has a 63.55% marketshare (as of the time of this writing) of all web browser usage Maintaining your own fork of Chromium or even your own separate browser engine (Like Firefox does) is extremely difficult. There's a reason so many of these browsers just use Chromium. It's because Google is doing the Lion's share of the work. Modern web browsers are some of the most complicated pieces of software ever written. They are comparable in complexity to entire operating systems. When Google makes a change to the Chromium project everyone follows suit, lest you fork it which leaves development and ensuring interoperability entirely up to you. The complexity of this task depends on how far you want to take your browser. Even those who fork Chromium will pull changes made by Google to the original Chromium project because making and maintaining your own web browser is really, really difficult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Well that's the whole fun of 50 chromium forks, upstream which is chromium will fuck them up, they will make breaking changes just so that forks can finally not steer around it without putting heavy lifting in it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] original_ish_name@lemm.ee 20 points 3 years ago Opera is spyware permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago Opera won't save you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pfnic@feddit.ch 7 points 3 years ago If it had to be a chromium browser, I guess I'd try Vivaldi. I'm happy with Librewolf and Firefox though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 5 points 3 years ago They've abandoned Presto a long long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Don't use Opera. The current company behind it is evil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net 2 points 3 years ago @nudnyekscentryk @TiredNerdDad, the biggest problem of big commercial companies is the complete absence of scruples and ethics regarding the user. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net 2 points 3 years ago @nudnyekscentryk @TiredNerdDad, the biggest problem of big commercial companies is the complete absence of scruples and ethics regarding the user. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xtrudrx@lemmy.dropdoos.nl 3 points 3 years ago That would be either Firefox or LibreWolf then since all the others including Opera are Chromium based under the hood. Let's support true Open Source. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] minikieff@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Who knew the Titan was just the beginning? permalink fedilink source parent