▲ 972 ▼ The era of cheap streaming is officially over (www.cnn.com) submitted 3 years ago by floofloof@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.ml 387 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Decimit@lemmy.world 330 points 3 years ago (5 children) Pirating went down when paying for streaming was more convenient. Well, you are making it far less convenient. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 105 points 3 years ago (10 children) Streaming has become cable 2.0. It was wonderful when everything was on one, maybe two providers. Could watch everything in a very easy, very affordable way. But everyone saw that, went "I know, I want that money!" and spent billions building their own individual infrastructures so make their own streaming services, and right around we go right back to the absolute worst days of cable and bullshit. Only thing stopping me from saying fuck it and downloading shit I want to watch, is the fact that I no longer know what the good sites are.. since I havent pirated since the heyday of the bay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] Decimit@lemmy.world 60 points 3 years ago piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com Their sidebar can teach you a lot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SeatBeeSate@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago Streaming has become cable with micro transactions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 years ago Join lemmy.dbzer0.com the piracy instance and ask around about private trackers and if there are any open signups permalink fedilink source parent [–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) And the irony is that people switched to cable for the exact same reason. They got tired of the nonsense that broadcast TV pulled with subscriptions for different channels and all the ads and everything, and went to cable because you paid one bill for every channel. Then, everyone moved to streaming because you had to buy 50 different cable packages for the one channel on each you actually cared about, and there were just too many ads to deal with, etc. Something something, those who don't listen to history are doomed to lose profit margins or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Broadcast tv had different subscriptions for channels? Where? Free to air tv is free with no subscriptions or options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Lol they are definitely wrong about that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I may be remembering that wrong, as it was before my time, but I had heard that people moved to cable for the same reasons that people moved from cable to streaming services. You bought one cable package, it gave you access to everything, and there were no ads. Then came the ads, and eventually, the packages you have to buy in addition to your cable subscription for the channels you actually care about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago People went to cable because it had no ads and let you have the opportunity to watch stuff you’d missed because they looped content regularly. Missed an episode of the Simpsons? All good, it’s on again in 12 hours. It also has movies and shows long before free to air because they paid for it. Cable was the start of subscriptions and paying for individual channels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Cable most definitely had ads though. Special add ons like HBO or Showtime didn't but basic cable did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago TorrentFreak occassionally posts a list of sites, just use a good no logging VPN. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hypnotoad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) That and movies just suck nowadays. This is partially old man yelling at cloud stuff but also true since the death of DVD's means studios won't take risks anymore since they can't recoup funds after a poor box office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago This isn't yelling at clouds, it's check l correct. It's also not quite so much "recoup funds at a poor box office" as it was "count on DVD sales to make up fifty percent of revenue for certain kinds of movies." permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) On the usenet side of the house, I think the only big change was NZB Matrix going away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cor315@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) I can't tell if no one talks about usenet because no one knows about it or because they don't want anyone else to know about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I prefer torrents because it's totally free, unlike Usenet. I don't even pay for a VPN since I don't care about a few love letters in my inbox. It's not about the cost; it's a matter of principle that I disagree with commercialized piracy. But Usenet is a good option for other reasons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both. It's a semi secret club. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MtBarbarian@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Galaxy torrents is a newer, solid option friend permalink fedilink source parent [–] bregosh@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com permalink fedilink source parent [+] cazsiel@lemmy.world -6 points 3 years ago Oh, so they defederated and y'all complaining about that now. I see how it is 😋 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 3 years ago Arr permalink fedilink source parent [–] Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 years ago As lord Gaben has said, "piracy is a service issue" permalink fedilink source parent [–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 years ago (4 children) Well, this time they have Google and Microsoft on big brother duty to make sure you don't get crazy ideas. And I'm not seeing enough people jumping away from Chrome and Windows to stop it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 33 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm on Windows and it's never hindered me when I needed to go download something that would make a studio exec cry. Granted, I use Firefox, but I'm not sure what Chrome would do differently - it's just a matter of clicking links that get sent off to qBittorrent to handle. What "big brothering" do they do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Google is implementing a new scheme that verifies your browser (correct DRM, etc.) and sites won’t allow access without it. Basically you have to have Chrome and without extensions they don’t like. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago I'm preeeeetty sure that the Pirate Bay isn't going to implement that scheme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 8 points 3 years ago But so far google and microsoft are incompetent big brothers, to the point that most people will find free streaming sites just by searching "free streaming epx of show". Now we are not talking good streaming, or even safe but if you want an example just look at any place with poor users (like a school or library). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 2 points 3 years ago What exactly are you talking about? Google and Microsoft have literally nothing to do with any of this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sadreality@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago Time will tell... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s not really any less convenient, just more expensive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 3 points 3 years ago True as long as they keep an ad-free tier. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 105 points 3 years ago (10 children) Streaming has become cable 2.0. It was wonderful when everything was on one, maybe two providers. Could watch everything in a very easy, very affordable way. But everyone saw that, went "I know, I want that money!" and spent billions building their own individual infrastructures so make their own streaming services, and right around we go right back to the absolute worst days of cable and bullshit. Only thing stopping me from saying fuck it and downloading shit I want to watch, is the fact that I no longer know what the good sites are.. since I havent pirated since the heyday of the bay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] Decimit@lemmy.world 60 points 3 years ago piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com Their sidebar can teach you a lot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SeatBeeSate@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago Streaming has become cable with micro transactions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 years ago Join lemmy.dbzer0.com the piracy instance and ask around about private trackers and if there are any open signups permalink fedilink source parent [–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) And the irony is that people switched to cable for the exact same reason. They got tired of the nonsense that broadcast TV pulled with subscriptions for different channels and all the ads and everything, and went to cable because you paid one bill for every channel. Then, everyone moved to streaming because you had to buy 50 different cable packages for the one channel on each you actually cared about, and there were just too many ads to deal with, etc. Something something, those who don't listen to history are doomed to lose profit margins or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Broadcast tv had different subscriptions for channels? Where? Free to air tv is free with no subscriptions or options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Lol they are definitely wrong about that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I may be remembering that wrong, as it was before my time, but I had heard that people moved to cable for the same reasons that people moved from cable to streaming services. You bought one cable package, it gave you access to everything, and there were no ads. Then came the ads, and eventually, the packages you have to buy in addition to your cable subscription for the channels you actually care about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago People went to cable because it had no ads and let you have the opportunity to watch stuff you’d missed because they looped content regularly. Missed an episode of the Simpsons? All good, it’s on again in 12 hours. It also has movies and shows long before free to air because they paid for it. Cable was the start of subscriptions and paying for individual channels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Cable most definitely had ads though. Special add ons like HBO or Showtime didn't but basic cable did. permalink fedilink source parent [–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago TorrentFreak occassionally posts a list of sites, just use a good no logging VPN. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hypnotoad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) That and movies just suck nowadays. This is partially old man yelling at cloud stuff but also true since the death of DVD's means studios won't take risks anymore since they can't recoup funds after a poor box office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago This isn't yelling at clouds, it's check l correct. It's also not quite so much "recoup funds at a poor box office" as it was "count on DVD sales to make up fifty percent of revenue for certain kinds of movies." permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) On the usenet side of the house, I think the only big change was NZB Matrix going away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cor315@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) I can't tell if no one talks about usenet because no one knows about it or because they don't want anyone else to know about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I prefer torrents because it's totally free, unlike Usenet. I don't even pay for a VPN since I don't care about a few love letters in my inbox. It's not about the cost; it's a matter of principle that I disagree with commercialized piracy. But Usenet is a good option for other reasons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both. It's a semi secret club. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MtBarbarian@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Galaxy torrents is a newer, solid option friend permalink fedilink source parent [–] bregosh@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com permalink fedilink source parent [+] cazsiel@lemmy.world -6 points 3 years ago Oh, so they defederated and y'all complaining about that now. I see how it is 😋 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Decimit@lemmy.world 60 points 3 years ago piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com Their sidebar can teach you a lot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SeatBeeSate@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago Streaming has become cable with micro transactions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 years ago Join lemmy.dbzer0.com the piracy instance and ask around about private trackers and if there are any open signups permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) And the irony is that people switched to cable for the exact same reason. They got tired of the nonsense that broadcast TV pulled with subscriptions for different channels and all the ads and everything, and went to cable because you paid one bill for every channel. Then, everyone moved to streaming because you had to buy 50 different cable packages for the one channel on each you actually cared about, and there were just too many ads to deal with, etc. Something something, those who don't listen to history are doomed to lose profit margins or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Broadcast tv had different subscriptions for channels? Where? Free to air tv is free with no subscriptions or options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Lol they are definitely wrong about that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I may be remembering that wrong, as it was before my time, but I had heard that people moved to cable for the same reasons that people moved from cable to streaming services. You bought one cable package, it gave you access to everything, and there were no ads. Then came the ads, and eventually, the packages you have to buy in addition to your cable subscription for the channels you actually care about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago People went to cable because it had no ads and let you have the opportunity to watch stuff you’d missed because they looped content regularly. Missed an episode of the Simpsons? All good, it’s on again in 12 hours. It also has movies and shows long before free to air because they paid for it. Cable was the start of subscriptions and paying for individual channels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Cable most definitely had ads though. Special add ons like HBO or Showtime didn't but basic cable did. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 7 points 3 years ago (2 children) Broadcast tv had different subscriptions for channels? Where? Free to air tv is free with no subscriptions or options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Lol they are definitely wrong about that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I may be remembering that wrong, as it was before my time, but I had heard that people moved to cable for the same reasons that people moved from cable to streaming services. You bought one cable package, it gave you access to everything, and there were no ads. Then came the ads, and eventually, the packages you have to buy in addition to your cable subscription for the channels you actually care about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago People went to cable because it had no ads and let you have the opportunity to watch stuff you’d missed because they looped content regularly. Missed an episode of the Simpsons? All good, it’s on again in 12 hours. It also has movies and shows long before free to air because they paid for it. Cable was the start of subscriptions and paying for individual channels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Cable most definitely had ads though. Special add ons like HBO or Showtime didn't but basic cable did. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Lol they are definitely wrong about that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) I may be remembering that wrong, as it was before my time, but I had heard that people moved to cable for the same reasons that people moved from cable to streaming services. You bought one cable package, it gave you access to everything, and there were no ads. Then came the ads, and eventually, the packages you have to buy in addition to your cable subscription for the channels you actually care about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago People went to cable because it had no ads and let you have the opportunity to watch stuff you’d missed because they looped content regularly. Missed an episode of the Simpsons? All good, it’s on again in 12 hours. It also has movies and shows long before free to air because they paid for it. Cable was the start of subscriptions and paying for individual channels. permalink fedilink source parent [–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Cable most definitely had ads though. Special add ons like HBO or Showtime didn't but basic cable did. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 4 points 3 years ago People went to cable because it had no ads and let you have the opportunity to watch stuff you’d missed because they looped content regularly. Missed an episode of the Simpsons? All good, it’s on again in 12 hours. It also has movies and shows long before free to air because they paid for it. Cable was the start of subscriptions and paying for individual channels. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Cable most definitely had ads though. Special add ons like HBO or Showtime didn't but basic cable did. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago TorrentFreak occassionally posts a list of sites, just use a good no logging VPN. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hypnotoad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) That and movies just suck nowadays. This is partially old man yelling at cloud stuff but also true since the death of DVD's means studios won't take risks anymore since they can't recoup funds after a poor box office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago This isn't yelling at clouds, it's check l correct. It's also not quite so much "recoup funds at a poor box office" as it was "count on DVD sales to make up fifty percent of revenue for certain kinds of movies." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago This isn't yelling at clouds, it's check l correct. It's also not quite so much "recoup funds at a poor box office" as it was "count on DVD sales to make up fifty percent of revenue for certain kinds of movies." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) On the usenet side of the house, I think the only big change was NZB Matrix going away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cor315@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) I can't tell if no one talks about usenet because no one knows about it or because they don't want anyone else to know about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I prefer torrents because it's totally free, unlike Usenet. I don't even pay for a VPN since I don't care about a few love letters in my inbox. It's not about the cost; it's a matter of principle that I disagree with commercialized piracy. But Usenet is a good option for other reasons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both. It's a semi secret club. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cor315@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) I can't tell if no one talks about usenet because no one knows about it or because they don't want anyone else to know about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I prefer torrents because it's totally free, unlike Usenet. I don't even pay for a VPN since I don't care about a few love letters in my inbox. It's not about the cost; it's a matter of principle that I disagree with commercialized piracy. But Usenet is a good option for other reasons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both. It's a semi secret club. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I prefer torrents because it's totally free, unlike Usenet. I don't even pay for a VPN since I don't care about a few love letters in my inbox. It's not about the cost; it's a matter of principle that I disagree with commercialized piracy. But Usenet is a good option for other reasons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Both. It's a semi secret club. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MtBarbarian@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Galaxy torrents is a newer, solid option friend permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cazsiel@lemmy.world -6 points 3 years ago Oh, so they defederated and y'all complaining about that now. I see how it is 😋 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 years ago As lord Gaben has said, "piracy is a service issue" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 years ago (4 children) Well, this time they have Google and Microsoft on big brother duty to make sure you don't get crazy ideas. And I'm not seeing enough people jumping away from Chrome and Windows to stop it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 33 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm on Windows and it's never hindered me when I needed to go download something that would make a studio exec cry. Granted, I use Firefox, but I'm not sure what Chrome would do differently - it's just a matter of clicking links that get sent off to qBittorrent to handle. What "big brothering" do they do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Google is implementing a new scheme that verifies your browser (correct DRM, etc.) and sites won’t allow access without it. Basically you have to have Chrome and without extensions they don’t like. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago I'm preeeeetty sure that the Pirate Bay isn't going to implement that scheme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 8 points 3 years ago But so far google and microsoft are incompetent big brothers, to the point that most people will find free streaming sites just by searching "free streaming epx of show". Now we are not talking good streaming, or even safe but if you want an example just look at any place with poor users (like a school or library). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 2 points 3 years ago What exactly are you talking about? Google and Microsoft have literally nothing to do with any of this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sadreality@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago Time will tell... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 33 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm on Windows and it's never hindered me when I needed to go download something that would make a studio exec cry. Granted, I use Firefox, but I'm not sure what Chrome would do differently - it's just a matter of clicking links that get sent off to qBittorrent to handle. What "big brothering" do they do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Google is implementing a new scheme that verifies your browser (correct DRM, etc.) and sites won’t allow access without it. Basically you have to have Chrome and without extensions they don’t like. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago I'm preeeeetty sure that the Pirate Bay isn't going to implement that scheme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 4am@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Google is implementing a new scheme that verifies your browser (correct DRM, etc.) and sites won’t allow access without it. Basically you have to have Chrome and without extensions they don’t like. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago I'm preeeeetty sure that the Pirate Bay isn't going to implement that scheme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago I'm preeeeetty sure that the Pirate Bay isn't going to implement that scheme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 8 points 3 years ago But so far google and microsoft are incompetent big brothers, to the point that most people will find free streaming sites just by searching "free streaming epx of show". Now we are not talking good streaming, or even safe but if you want an example just look at any place with poor users (like a school or library). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 2 points 3 years ago What exactly are you talking about? Google and Microsoft have literally nothing to do with any of this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s not really any less convenient, just more expensive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 3 points 3 years ago True as long as they keep an ad-free tier. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duncesplayed@lemmy.one 3 points 3 years ago True as long as they keep an ad-free tier. permalink fedilink source parent