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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) I have a feeling that if we had a primary & Biden won it, that wouldn't do anything to stop the ones complaining. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Biden won another primary I probably wouldn't be happy, but that's democracy. At least there would have been a democratic process to determine the candidate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a fundamental problem with voters. The parties don't have to be Democratic. They don't have to give us a choice. Actually at one point they didn't. And that was 100% constitutional. The problem is basically not a single American beyond. Maybe the ones who actually hold office have any idea how the parties and the system are run. They just have vague ideas of how they think they should be run. And get depressed/ disheartened when they find out how things actually work. I definitely agree with Cody's postulate that the different particularly means to do a better job of finding, preparing, and putting forth fresh candidates. The graveyard's going to be empty soon enough at this rate. But primaries aren't necessarily the best way to do it. They're just promptly about the only way to do it because of how messed up the system is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Personally I don't believe that primaries are especially democratic even in it's best form, though I'd rather have a flawed democratic process than a purely oligarchic selection (to be clear, there is currently major oligarchic influence). However, it's never the fault of voters that they have to operate in an oligarchic system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* You're right, it's not the voter's fault. It's the fault of the people that elect these individuals. Because no matter how wealthy or powerful you are, if you don't get elected, you can't be in office. Oh wait, that's the voter's being at fault again. I'm 100% for changing the system. I agree with you that it's heavily flawed. And designed from it's founding to serve the wealthy. But blaming the parties won't change it. They're a product of that system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That already happened in 2016, there's a reason we run the incumbent they have the best odds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 2 years ago If that's true, then they shouldn't be afraid of another primary. Anyways, the video covers that specific topic. permalink fedilink source parent [+] demesisx@infosec.pub 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] londos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Biden's not my favorite Democrat, but I will 1000% vote for him in the general. I support a primary even knowing that he would run away with it regardless due to name and incumbency. When I try to tell conservative friends that Trump is a threat to democracy, they point to this as a counterpoint. It's not at all equivalent, but there's just enough hypocrisy that they stop caring. It's a dumb and unnecessary strategy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) if Biden won another primary I probably wouldn't be happy, but that's democracy. At least there would have been a democratic process to determine the candidate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a fundamental problem with voters. The parties don't have to be Democratic. They don't have to give us a choice. Actually at one point they didn't. And that was 100% constitutional. The problem is basically not a single American beyond. Maybe the ones who actually hold office have any idea how the parties and the system are run. They just have vague ideas of how they think they should be run. And get depressed/ disheartened when they find out how things actually work. I definitely agree with Cody's postulate that the different particularly means to do a better job of finding, preparing, and putting forth fresh candidates. The graveyard's going to be empty soon enough at this rate. But primaries aren't necessarily the best way to do it. They're just promptly about the only way to do it because of how messed up the system is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Personally I don't believe that primaries are especially democratic even in it's best form, though I'd rather have a flawed democratic process than a purely oligarchic selection (to be clear, there is currently major oligarchic influence). However, it's never the fault of voters that they have to operate in an oligarchic system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* You're right, it's not the voter's fault. It's the fault of the people that elect these individuals. Because no matter how wealthy or powerful you are, if you don't get elected, you can't be in office. Oh wait, that's the voter's being at fault again. I'm 100% for changing the system. I agree with you that it's heavily flawed. And designed from it's founding to serve the wealthy. But blaming the parties won't change it. They're a product of that system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That already happened in 2016, there's a reason we run the incumbent they have the best odds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 2 years ago If that's true, then they shouldn't be afraid of another primary. Anyways, the video covers that specific topic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a fundamental problem with voters. The parties don't have to be Democratic. They don't have to give us a choice. Actually at one point they didn't. And that was 100% constitutional. The problem is basically not a single American beyond. Maybe the ones who actually hold office have any idea how the parties and the system are run. They just have vague ideas of how they think they should be run. And get depressed/ disheartened when they find out how things actually work. I definitely agree with Cody's postulate that the different particularly means to do a better job of finding, preparing, and putting forth fresh candidates. The graveyard's going to be empty soon enough at this rate. But primaries aren't necessarily the best way to do it. They're just promptly about the only way to do it because of how messed up the system is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Personally I don't believe that primaries are especially democratic even in it's best form, though I'd rather have a flawed democratic process than a purely oligarchic selection (to be clear, there is currently major oligarchic influence). However, it's never the fault of voters that they have to operate in an oligarchic system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* You're right, it's not the voter's fault. It's the fault of the people that elect these individuals. Because no matter how wealthy or powerful you are, if you don't get elected, you can't be in office. Oh wait, that's the voter's being at fault again. I'm 100% for changing the system. I agree with you that it's heavily flawed. And designed from it's founding to serve the wealthy. But blaming the parties won't change it. They're a product of that system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Personally I don't believe that primaries are especially democratic even in it's best form, though I'd rather have a flawed democratic process than a purely oligarchic selection (to be clear, there is currently major oligarchic influence). However, it's never the fault of voters that they have to operate in an oligarchic system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* You're right, it's not the voter's fault. It's the fault of the people that elect these individuals. Because no matter how wealthy or powerful you are, if you don't get elected, you can't be in office. Oh wait, that's the voter's being at fault again. I'm 100% for changing the system. I agree with you that it's heavily flawed. And designed from it's founding to serve the wealthy. But blaming the parties won't change it. They're a product of that system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* You're right, it's not the voter's fault. It's the fault of the people that elect these individuals. Because no matter how wealthy or powerful you are, if you don't get elected, you can't be in office. Oh wait, that's the voter's being at fault again. I'm 100% for changing the system. I agree with you that it's heavily flawed. And designed from it's founding to serve the wealthy. But blaming the parties won't change it. They're a product of that system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) That already happened in 2016, there's a reason we run the incumbent they have the best odds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 2 years ago If that's true, then they shouldn't be afraid of another primary. Anyways, the video covers that specific topic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 2 years ago If that's true, then they shouldn't be afraid of another primary. Anyways, the video covers that specific topic. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] demesisx@infosec.pub 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] londos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Biden's not my favorite Democrat, but I will 1000% vote for him in the general. I support a primary even knowing that he would run away with it regardless due to name and incumbency. When I try to tell conservative friends that Trump is a threat to democracy, they point to this as a counterpoint. It's not at all equivalent, but there's just enough hypocrisy that they stop caring. It's a dumb and unnecessary strategy. permalink fedilink source parent