▲ 40 ▼ Is "If A then B" equal to "B if and only if A"? (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by Lafari@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world 60 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Wait. If they are effectively the same statement, wouldn't that mean they ARE equal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Casey_Masterpiece@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If B then A is the same as if X then Y is the same as if A then B. They are saying it's the same as the OP. Changing the letters around doesn't change the meaning since the letters are just placeholders. Now if you said If A then B AND If B then A as one it wouldn't be the same because A and B would have to keep the same meaning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* But they switched the order in only the first half of the statement. I don't know if everyone commenting caught that. Is "If B then A" equal to "B if and only if A"? This IS different from the original question. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thoth19@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is the definition of "if and only if". And by commutativity we also know that A iff B is equal to B iff A permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh yeah. I was very confused as to what that meant, but I learned something today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thoth19@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah if vs iff can be confusing at first. Trying to understand it with normal grammar doesn't work right. It's a lot more helpful to grok the symbols and so the truth tables by hand to see how they fit together permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Casey_Masterpiece@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If B then A is the same as if X then Y is the same as if A then B. They are saying it's the same as the OP. Changing the letters around doesn't change the meaning since the letters are just placeholders. Now if you said If A then B AND If B then A as one it wouldn't be the same because A and B would have to keep the same meaning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* But they switched the order in only the first half of the statement. I don't know if everyone commenting caught that. Is "If B then A" equal to "B if and only if A"? This IS different from the original question. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* But they switched the order in only the first half of the statement. I don't know if everyone commenting caught that. Is "If B then A" equal to "B if and only if A"? This IS different from the original question. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thoth19@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is the definition of "if and only if". And by commutativity we also know that A iff B is equal to B iff A permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh yeah. I was very confused as to what that meant, but I learned something today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thoth19@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah if vs iff can be confusing at first. Trying to understand it with normal grammar doesn't work right. It's a lot more helpful to grok the symbols and so the truth tables by hand to see how they fit together permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh yeah. I was very confused as to what that meant, but I learned something today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thoth19@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah if vs iff can be confusing at first. Trying to understand it with normal grammar doesn't work right. It's a lot more helpful to grok the symbols and so the truth tables by hand to see how they fit together permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thoth19@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah if vs iff can be confusing at first. Trying to understand it with normal grammar doesn't work right. It's a lot more helpful to grok the symbols and so the truth tables by hand to see how they fit together permalink fedilink source parent