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[+] Rainmanslim@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duviobaz@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (4 children) Those people are not considered communists by actual communists. Actual communists are in favor of NATO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Actual communists are in favor of NATO. Wouldn't go that far. Actual communists may not be as reflexively "West Bad" as tankies, but generally have a negative view of Western-led international initiatives like NATO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duviobaz@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (3 children) I am a full blown communist, despie the soviet union, china, the DPRK, vietnam, the middle east and so on, yet support NATO, the west and especially europe, while also acknowledging that the west is not perfect and does a shitton of bad stuff. Edgy anti-communists can't bother to not think in black&white. Reality is more complex than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) What's your problem with Vietnam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) wait, you think it's wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist? brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it's progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I'm not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren't communist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You didn't answer my question. Besides to say it's authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game? by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc... or do we describe things based on what they act like? permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 3 years ago Hence the 'generally'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Hey quick question: Are there any communist countries that you, a "full blown communist," support? You might enjoy this essay on the importance of supporting communists when they win, and not just when they lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago And the name we designate these "communists" are tankies or MLs (Marxist-Lenninists). They are only communist in name and believe in authoritarian ideals like what is happening in China or Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rainmanslim@lemm.ee -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago Communism is a threat to western civilization. NATO was created to collectively defend against communists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duviobaz@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (4 children) Those people are not considered communists by actual communists. Actual communists are in favor of NATO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Actual communists are in favor of NATO. Wouldn't go that far. Actual communists may not be as reflexively "West Bad" as tankies, but generally have a negative view of Western-led international initiatives like NATO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duviobaz@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (3 children) I am a full blown communist, despie the soviet union, china, the DPRK, vietnam, the middle east and so on, yet support NATO, the west and especially europe, while also acknowledging that the west is not perfect and does a shitton of bad stuff. Edgy anti-communists can't bother to not think in black&white. Reality is more complex than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) What's your problem with Vietnam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) wait, you think it's wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist? brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it's progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I'm not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren't communist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You didn't answer my question. Besides to say it's authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game? by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc... or do we describe things based on what they act like? permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 3 years ago Hence the 'generally'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Hey quick question: Are there any communist countries that you, a "full blown communist," support? You might enjoy this essay on the importance of supporting communists when they win, and not just when they lose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago And the name we designate these "communists" are tankies or MLs (Marxist-Lenninists). They are only communist in name and believe in authoritarian ideals like what is happening in China or Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rainmanslim@lemm.ee -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago Communism is a threat to western civilization. NATO was created to collectively defend against communists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Actual communists are in favor of NATO. Wouldn't go that far. Actual communists may not be as reflexively "West Bad" as tankies, but generally have a negative view of Western-led international initiatives like NATO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duviobaz@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (3 children) I am a full blown communist, despie the soviet union, china, the DPRK, vietnam, the middle east and so on, yet support NATO, the west and especially europe, while also acknowledging that the west is not perfect and does a shitton of bad stuff. Edgy anti-communists can't bother to not think in black&white. Reality is more complex than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) What's your problem with Vietnam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) wait, you think it's wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist? brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it's progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I'm not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren't communist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You didn't answer my question. Besides to say it's authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game? by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc... or do we describe things based on what they act like? permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 3 years ago Hence the 'generally'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Hey quick question: Are there any communist countries that you, a "full blown communist," support? You might enjoy this essay on the importance of supporting communists when they win, and not just when they lose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duviobaz@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (3 children) I am a full blown communist, despie the soviet union, china, the DPRK, vietnam, the middle east and so on, yet support NATO, the west and especially europe, while also acknowledging that the west is not perfect and does a shitton of bad stuff. Edgy anti-communists can't bother to not think in black&white. Reality is more complex than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) What's your problem with Vietnam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) wait, you think it's wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist? brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it's progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I'm not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren't communist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You didn't answer my question. Besides to say it's authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game? by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc... or do we describe things based on what they act like? permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 3 years ago Hence the 'generally'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Hey quick question: Are there any communist countries that you, a "full blown communist," support? You might enjoy this essay on the importance of supporting communists when they win, and not just when they lose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) What's your problem with Vietnam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) wait, you think it's wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist? brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it's progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I'm not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren't communist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You didn't answer my question. Besides to say it's authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game? by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc... or do we describe things based on what they act like? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orrk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) wait, you think it's wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist? brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it's progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I'm not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren't communist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You didn't answer my question. Besides to say it's authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game? by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc... or do we describe things based on what they act like? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) You didn't answer my question. Besides to say it's authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game? by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc... or do we describe things based on what they act like? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orrk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game? by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc... or do we describe things based on what they act like? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 3 years ago Hence the 'generally'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Hey quick question: Are there any communist countries that you, a "full blown communist," support? You might enjoy this essay on the importance of supporting communists when they win, and not just when they lose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago And the name we designate these "communists" are tankies or MLs (Marxist-Lenninists). They are only communist in name and believe in authoritarian ideals like what is happening in China or Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Rainmanslim@lemm.ee -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orangebussycat@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago Communism is a threat to western civilization. NATO was created to collectively defend against communists. permalink fedilink source parent
