▲ 137 ▼ Pope Francis calls for greater dialogue and cooperation between Christians, Marxists (www.catholicnewsagency.com) submitted 2 years ago by nekandro@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 23 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Nougat@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (6 children) Uh, has Mr. Pope read any Marx? permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago* Yeah but thats just the opium masses crap. Christian Socialism is a thing. Case in point Ceasar Chavez and the sheer amount of work he did for the labour movements. The two systems are compatible. permalink fedilink source parent [+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] trace@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology permalink fedilink source parent [–] kayjay@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx’s view of communism doesn’t inherently ban religion. His view of religion was that it was a tool by the ruling classes to maintain the status quo against the oppressed, and that under communism religion wouldn’t hold any political power because, by his words, the conditions that allowed religion to hold political power such as inequality wouldn’t be present anymore. But he didn’t call for the abolition of religion or that religion couldn’t exist at all in a communist society, that was more of a Marxist-Leninist way of thinking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redsquirrel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It is a tool by the ruling classes, but alongside a lot of other tools. I don't know Marx view on religion in any deep sense, but I always understood hisvieww as religion emerging as a coping mechanism in some ways, or emerging as a coping mechanism, or just a byproduct of the human experience maybe..?, he does say religion is the heart in a heartless world, etc. and maybe that's how it becomes a tool, co-opted and utilized for class interests. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* Marx literally wrote against enforced atheism in "the Jewish question"(a very unfortunate name in hindsight) which was a defense of Jewish communists keeping their religious and cultural identity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmington_steele@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I'm pretty sure he was involved with the liberation theology movements in Argentina before the previous pope clamped down on it (in his capacity as a cardinal) permalink fedilink source parent [–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Highly unlikely. Hell, many so-called "Marxists" have not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago* Yeah but thats just the opium masses crap. Christian Socialism is a thing. Case in point Ceasar Chavez and the sheer amount of work he did for the labour movements. The two systems are compatible. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] trace@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trace@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kayjay@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx’s view of communism doesn’t inherently ban religion. His view of religion was that it was a tool by the ruling classes to maintain the status quo against the oppressed, and that under communism religion wouldn’t hold any political power because, by his words, the conditions that allowed religion to hold political power such as inequality wouldn’t be present anymore. But he didn’t call for the abolition of religion or that religion couldn’t exist at all in a communist society, that was more of a Marxist-Leninist way of thinking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redsquirrel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It is a tool by the ruling classes, but alongside a lot of other tools. I don't know Marx view on religion in any deep sense, but I always understood hisvieww as religion emerging as a coping mechanism in some ways, or emerging as a coping mechanism, or just a byproduct of the human experience maybe..?, he does say religion is the heart in a heartless world, etc. and maybe that's how it becomes a tool, co-opted and utilized for class interests. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] redsquirrel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It is a tool by the ruling classes, but alongside a lot of other tools. I don't know Marx view on religion in any deep sense, but I always understood hisvieww as religion emerging as a coping mechanism in some ways, or emerging as a coping mechanism, or just a byproduct of the human experience maybe..?, he does say religion is the heart in a heartless world, etc. and maybe that's how it becomes a tool, co-opted and utilized for class interests. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* Marx literally wrote against enforced atheism in "the Jewish question"(a very unfortunate name in hindsight) which was a defense of Jewish communists keeping their religious and cultural identity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmington_steele@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago I'm pretty sure he was involved with the liberation theology movements in Argentina before the previous pope clamped down on it (in his capacity as a cardinal) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Highly unlikely. Hell, many so-called "Marxists" have not. permalink fedilink source parent