▲ 432 ▼ Ayaneo next handheld is going to use SteamOS (www.dexerto.com) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to c/steamdeck@sopuli.xyz 65 comments fedilink hide all child comments The SteamOS pre-installed on NEXT LITE is adapted and optimized by AYANEO based on HoloISO. Users also can install Windows system by themselves after purchasing NEXT LITE, and download Windows driver from AYANEO official website.
[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 36 points 2 years ago (3 children) Honestly if it runs steamOS, I don't even think it could be considered competition. They're on the same team. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 29 points 2 years ago* (4 children) Because of how good Proton has become, I'm considering dropping Windows and switching to Arch for gaming at my next upgrade. Two players developing improvements to Steam OS and Proton can only make things better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was thinking of using Bazzite. I use Arch for my work install and have been using Arch for personal use since 2015 with Windows dual boot for gaming. Bazzite/UBlue has really surprised me and if I didn't have an Nvidia GPU I think I would've already migrated completely away from Windows with Bazzite. Container based OSes with immutable root are the future IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Bazzite is great, I've used it for a good while and it's never let me down. Have it on my deck right now, in fact! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again. I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I'll immediately want to check it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Totally fair. On the updates, it's a fedora based rolling release of sorts so you get kernel updates way earlier and steam updates just as regularly as vanilla on top, pretty sure it follows the preview branch by default. I remember back when I installed it I had the new color vibrancy slider months before 3.5 hit and the new mesa with smaller shader cache sizes and whatnot too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oo, this is the first I've heard of Bazzite. I'll have to go check it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I'm no expert but would love to lend a hand! permalink fedilink source parent [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I may ask, what was your motivation to run Bazzite on your deck? I'm familiar with why you'd use it on your PC (ended up having to turn back from it on my PC, as I couldn't figure out how to disable the upscaling the desktop had), or maybe a HTPC, but I haven't seen anyone mention why they install it on their deck so I am a bit interested now after seeing multiple people mention it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Honestly, the short answer is because I think it's cool and because I can haha. The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head: I like the idea of having a fedora based OS that's stable but still as close to bleeding edge as it gets when it comes to the kernel, mesa and whatnot while retaining the steam niceties and getting easy rollbacks on top Easier to customize, I have my own fork with a couple of tweaks on top of mainline Bazzite Trying out new desktop environments comes as easy as rebasing to another image Btrfs with compression and deduplication on by default does wonders for space savings on proton prefixes It optionally installs Nix and it's my preferred package manager (and OS!) For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I'm not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it. With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they're pretty niche at the end of the day, I'm just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I'm considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there's a /nix folder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn't mean I can't use it as a package manager! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ah, it seems they've added Nix on 3.5, that's quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will! My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn't been too great either so I hear you there. I don't use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago* If you want to switch I really recommend looking up what apps you need and if there's a cross-platform alternative try using it before switching OS. It makes it so much easier if you're used to the applications. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psudo@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago I made the switch around a year ago and only have a handful of games that don't work. I've played with Linux for the last 15-20 years, so I knew what I was getting into, but also things are in a way better state now than they used to be. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good call :3 Not a PC gamer myself but if you're new to Linux arch is prolly a bad idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I took a class regarding Linux administration, and I've dabbled here and there, but most importantly, I spun up a VM to practice the initial installation process. The wiki is super helpful, but it's a bit spaghettified at times. 😅 Though now I'm wondering if I might prefer NixOS. I have Bazzite on a laptop and my Deck, and I like its atomic behavior a lot, but Nix is kind of a unique take on atomic distros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Cool :3 permalink fedilink source parent [+] NoneYa@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's partially true, but Valve's long term goal with SteamOS is to break their reliance on windows. Windows previously had plans to require all new software to be installed through their Windows store, which would have destroyed Steam. Thankfully Windows backed off from this plan, but they are instead pushing windows S mode for new computers. If you buy a budget PC it will probably come locked down where it can only install Windows apps. This can be disabled, but requires you to have administrative privileges on the computer (which many kids/etc won't have). It also requires you to log into the windows store with a Microsoft account to disable it, so they require you to take all the steps to install windows store content before you can choose to not use their store. It's not going to happen overnight, but I suspect the long term windows plan is to force more people (especially kids) into getting software and games through the Microsoft store. People like to buy games from the same place, so if you get kids started building their PC gaming library in the Windows store they'll be more likely to stick with it even once they have other options. So companies selling windows handhelds will still help valve out short term, but their long term goal (and the reason they invest so much into Linux) is to no longer be dependent on Microsoft windows to sell games. It's also why they're pushing for Steam on Chromebooks, to both get young users invested in steam and as another windows alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 29 points 2 years ago* (4 children) Because of how good Proton has become, I'm considering dropping Windows and switching to Arch for gaming at my next upgrade. Two players developing improvements to Steam OS and Proton can only make things better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was thinking of using Bazzite. I use Arch for my work install and have been using Arch for personal use since 2015 with Windows dual boot for gaming. Bazzite/UBlue has really surprised me and if I didn't have an Nvidia GPU I think I would've already migrated completely away from Windows with Bazzite. Container based OSes with immutable root are the future IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Bazzite is great, I've used it for a good while and it's never let me down. Have it on my deck right now, in fact! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again. I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I'll immediately want to check it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Totally fair. On the updates, it's a fedora based rolling release of sorts so you get kernel updates way earlier and steam updates just as regularly as vanilla on top, pretty sure it follows the preview branch by default. I remember back when I installed it I had the new color vibrancy slider months before 3.5 hit and the new mesa with smaller shader cache sizes and whatnot too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oo, this is the first I've heard of Bazzite. I'll have to go check it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I'm no expert but would love to lend a hand! permalink fedilink source parent [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I may ask, what was your motivation to run Bazzite on your deck? I'm familiar with why you'd use it on your PC (ended up having to turn back from it on my PC, as I couldn't figure out how to disable the upscaling the desktop had), or maybe a HTPC, but I haven't seen anyone mention why they install it on their deck so I am a bit interested now after seeing multiple people mention it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Honestly, the short answer is because I think it's cool and because I can haha. The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head: I like the idea of having a fedora based OS that's stable but still as close to bleeding edge as it gets when it comes to the kernel, mesa and whatnot while retaining the steam niceties and getting easy rollbacks on top Easier to customize, I have my own fork with a couple of tweaks on top of mainline Bazzite Trying out new desktop environments comes as easy as rebasing to another image Btrfs with compression and deduplication on by default does wonders for space savings on proton prefixes It optionally installs Nix and it's my preferred package manager (and OS!) For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I'm not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it. With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they're pretty niche at the end of the day, I'm just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I'm considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there's a /nix folder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn't mean I can't use it as a package manager! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ah, it seems they've added Nix on 3.5, that's quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will! My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn't been too great either so I hear you there. I don't use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago* If you want to switch I really recommend looking up what apps you need and if there's a cross-platform alternative try using it before switching OS. It makes it so much easier if you're used to the applications. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psudo@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago I made the switch around a year ago and only have a handful of games that don't work. I've played with Linux for the last 15-20 years, so I knew what I was getting into, but also things are in a way better state now than they used to be. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good call :3 Not a PC gamer myself but if you're new to Linux arch is prolly a bad idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I took a class regarding Linux administration, and I've dabbled here and there, but most importantly, I spun up a VM to practice the initial installation process. The wiki is super helpful, but it's a bit spaghettified at times. 😅 Though now I'm wondering if I might prefer NixOS. I have Bazzite on a laptop and my Deck, and I like its atomic behavior a lot, but Nix is kind of a unique take on atomic distros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Cool :3 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was thinking of using Bazzite. I use Arch for my work install and have been using Arch for personal use since 2015 with Windows dual boot for gaming. Bazzite/UBlue has really surprised me and if I didn't have an Nvidia GPU I think I would've already migrated completely away from Windows with Bazzite. Container based OSes with immutable root are the future IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Bazzite is great, I've used it for a good while and it's never let me down. Have it on my deck right now, in fact! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again. I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I'll immediately want to check it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Totally fair. On the updates, it's a fedora based rolling release of sorts so you get kernel updates way earlier and steam updates just as regularly as vanilla on top, pretty sure it follows the preview branch by default. I remember back when I installed it I had the new color vibrancy slider months before 3.5 hit and the new mesa with smaller shader cache sizes and whatnot too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oo, this is the first I've heard of Bazzite. I'll have to go check it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I'm no expert but would love to lend a hand! permalink fedilink source parent [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I may ask, what was your motivation to run Bazzite on your deck? I'm familiar with why you'd use it on your PC (ended up having to turn back from it on my PC, as I couldn't figure out how to disable the upscaling the desktop had), or maybe a HTPC, but I haven't seen anyone mention why they install it on their deck so I am a bit interested now after seeing multiple people mention it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Honestly, the short answer is because I think it's cool and because I can haha. The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head: I like the idea of having a fedora based OS that's stable but still as close to bleeding edge as it gets when it comes to the kernel, mesa and whatnot while retaining the steam niceties and getting easy rollbacks on top Easier to customize, I have my own fork with a couple of tweaks on top of mainline Bazzite Trying out new desktop environments comes as easy as rebasing to another image Btrfs with compression and deduplication on by default does wonders for space savings on proton prefixes It optionally installs Nix and it's my preferred package manager (and OS!) For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I'm not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it. With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they're pretty niche at the end of the day, I'm just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I'm considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there's a /nix folder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn't mean I can't use it as a package manager! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ah, it seems they've added Nix on 3.5, that's quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will! My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn't been too great either so I hear you there. I don't use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lupec@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Bazzite is great, I've used it for a good while and it's never let me down. Have it on my deck right now, in fact! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again. I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I'll immediately want to check it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Totally fair. On the updates, it's a fedora based rolling release of sorts so you get kernel updates way earlier and steam updates just as regularly as vanilla on top, pretty sure it follows the preview branch by default. I remember back when I installed it I had the new color vibrancy slider months before 3.5 hit and the new mesa with smaller shader cache sizes and whatnot too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oo, this is the first I've heard of Bazzite. I'll have to go check it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I'm no expert but would love to lend a hand! permalink fedilink source parent [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I may ask, what was your motivation to run Bazzite on your deck? I'm familiar with why you'd use it on your PC (ended up having to turn back from it on my PC, as I couldn't figure out how to disable the upscaling the desktop had), or maybe a HTPC, but I haven't seen anyone mention why they install it on their deck so I am a bit interested now after seeing multiple people mention it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Honestly, the short answer is because I think it's cool and because I can haha. The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head: I like the idea of having a fedora based OS that's stable but still as close to bleeding edge as it gets when it comes to the kernel, mesa and whatnot while retaining the steam niceties and getting easy rollbacks on top Easier to customize, I have my own fork with a couple of tweaks on top of mainline Bazzite Trying out new desktop environments comes as easy as rebasing to another image Btrfs with compression and deduplication on by default does wonders for space savings on proton prefixes It optionally installs Nix and it's my preferred package manager (and OS!) For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I'm not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it. With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they're pretty niche at the end of the day, I'm just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I'm considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there's a /nix folder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn't mean I can't use it as a package manager! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ah, it seems they've added Nix on 3.5, that's quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will! My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn't been too great either so I hear you there. I don't use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm tempted to switch to my deck to Bazzite, but I also have everything set up exactly how I want it right now and it seems like a huge pain to set everything up again. I also know that anytime valve announces a new deck feature update I'll immediately want to check it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Totally fair. On the updates, it's a fedora based rolling release of sorts so you get kernel updates way earlier and steam updates just as regularly as vanilla on top, pretty sure it follows the preview branch by default. I remember back when I installed it I had the new color vibrancy slider months before 3.5 hit and the new mesa with smaller shader cache sizes and whatnot too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Totally fair. On the updates, it's a fedora based rolling release of sorts so you get kernel updates way earlier and steam updates just as regularly as vanilla on top, pretty sure it follows the preview branch by default. I remember back when I installed it I had the new color vibrancy slider months before 3.5 hit and the new mesa with smaller shader cache sizes and whatnot too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oo, this is the first I've heard of Bazzite. I'll have to go check it out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I'm no expert but would love to lend a hand! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lupec@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Lmk if you happen to need any help with it, I'm no expert but would love to lend a hand! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If I may ask, what was your motivation to run Bazzite on your deck? I'm familiar with why you'd use it on your PC (ended up having to turn back from it on my PC, as I couldn't figure out how to disable the upscaling the desktop had), or maybe a HTPC, but I haven't seen anyone mention why they install it on their deck so I am a bit interested now after seeing multiple people mention it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Honestly, the short answer is because I think it's cool and because I can haha. The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head: I like the idea of having a fedora based OS that's stable but still as close to bleeding edge as it gets when it comes to the kernel, mesa and whatnot while retaining the steam niceties and getting easy rollbacks on top Easier to customize, I have my own fork with a couple of tweaks on top of mainline Bazzite Trying out new desktop environments comes as easy as rebasing to another image Btrfs with compression and deduplication on by default does wonders for space savings on proton prefixes It optionally installs Nix and it's my preferred package manager (and OS!) For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I'm not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it. With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they're pretty niche at the end of the day, I'm just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I'm considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there's a /nix folder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn't mean I can't use it as a package manager! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ah, it seems they've added Nix on 3.5, that's quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will! My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn't been too great either so I hear you there. I don't use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Honestly, the short answer is because I think it's cool and because I can haha. The long answer is because several features I appreciate would be either impossible or extremely painful to pull off on the stock OS. In no particular order, off the top of my head: I like the idea of having a fedora based OS that's stable but still as close to bleeding edge as it gets when it comes to the kernel, mesa and whatnot while retaining the steam niceties and getting easy rollbacks on top Easier to customize, I have my own fork with a couple of tweaks on top of mainline Bazzite Trying out new desktop environments comes as easy as rebasing to another image Btrfs with compression and deduplication on by default does wonders for space savings on proton prefixes It optionally installs Nix and it's my preferred package manager (and OS!) For a more practical example on why I appreciate the more recent packages, I remember getting that new mesa release with considerably smaller shader caches months ago, I'm not even sure vanilla Steam OS already has it. With all that said, it really does mostly boil down to my just feeling like tinkering a little anyway. There are cool advantages but they're pretty niche at the end of the day, I'm just the kind of nerd who loves experimenting. Hell, I'm considering test driving NixOS for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there's a /nix folder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn't mean I can't use it as a package manager! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ah, it seems they've added Nix on 3.5, that's quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will! My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn't been too great either so I hear you there. I don't use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] russjr08@bitforged.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plenty fair enough, thanks! That does remind me that I do need to look into Nix{OS} again, SteamOS does have built in support for Nix (or at least, I see there's a /nix folder by default now). Had some issues with daily driving NixOS on my desktop a while back ago, but I suppose that doesn't mean I can't use it as a package manager! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ah, it seems they've added Nix on 3.5, that's quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will! My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn't been too great either so I hear you there. I don't use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ah, it seems they've added Nix on 3.5, that's quite nice! At the very least I love using Home Manager to basically setup everything CLI and more. Overengineered dotfiles with extra bells and whistles, if you will! My past experiences with actually daily driving NixOS hadn't been too great either so I hear you there. I don't use it on my desktop rn because my setup is regrettably too tied to Windows atm but I sure love the thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago* If you want to switch I really recommend looking up what apps you need and if there's a cross-platform alternative try using it before switching OS. It makes it so much easier if you're used to the applications. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psudo@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago I made the switch around a year ago and only have a handful of games that don't work. I've played with Linux for the last 15-20 years, so I knew what I was getting into, but also things are in a way better state now than they used to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good call :3 Not a PC gamer myself but if you're new to Linux arch is prolly a bad idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I took a class regarding Linux administration, and I've dabbled here and there, but most importantly, I spun up a VM to practice the initial installation process. The wiki is super helpful, but it's a bit spaghettified at times. 😅 Though now I'm wondering if I might prefer NixOS. I have Bazzite on a laptop and my Deck, and I like its atomic behavior a lot, but Nix is kind of a unique take on atomic distros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Cool :3 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I took a class regarding Linux administration, and I've dabbled here and there, but most importantly, I spun up a VM to practice the initial installation process. The wiki is super helpful, but it's a bit spaghettified at times. 😅 Though now I'm wondering if I might prefer NixOS. I have Bazzite on a laptop and my Deck, and I like its atomic behavior a lot, but Nix is kind of a unique take on atomic distros. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sleepybisexual@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Cool :3 permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's partially true, but Valve's long term goal with SteamOS is to break their reliance on windows. Windows previously had plans to require all new software to be installed through their Windows store, which would have destroyed Steam. Thankfully Windows backed off from this plan, but they are instead pushing windows S mode for new computers. If you buy a budget PC it will probably come locked down where it can only install Windows apps. This can be disabled, but requires you to have administrative privileges on the computer (which many kids/etc won't have). It also requires you to log into the windows store with a Microsoft account to disable it, so they require you to take all the steps to install windows store content before you can choose to not use their store. It's not going to happen overnight, but I suspect the long term windows plan is to force more people (especially kids) into getting software and games through the Microsoft store. People like to buy games from the same place, so if you get kids started building their PC gaming library in the Windows store they'll be more likely to stick with it even once they have other options. So companies selling windows handhelds will still help valve out short term, but their long term goal (and the reason they invest so much into Linux) is to no longer be dependent on Microsoft windows to sell games. It's also why they're pushing for Steam on Chromebooks, to both get young users invested in steam and as another windows alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's partially true, but Valve's long term goal with SteamOS is to break their reliance on windows. Windows previously had plans to require all new software to be installed through their Windows store, which would have destroyed Steam. Thankfully Windows backed off from this plan, but they are instead pushing windows S mode for new computers. If you buy a budget PC it will probably come locked down where it can only install Windows apps. This can be disabled, but requires you to have administrative privileges on the computer (which many kids/etc won't have). It also requires you to log into the windows store with a Microsoft account to disable it, so they require you to take all the steps to install windows store content before you can choose to not use their store. It's not going to happen overnight, but I suspect the long term windows plan is to force more people (especially kids) into getting software and games through the Microsoft store. People like to buy games from the same place, so if you get kids started building their PC gaming library in the Windows store they'll be more likely to stick with it even once they have other options. So companies selling windows handhelds will still help valve out short term, but their long term goal (and the reason they invest so much into Linux) is to no longer be dependent on Microsoft windows to sell games. It's also why they're pushing for Steam on Chromebooks, to both get young users invested in steam and as another windows alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent