▲ 422 ▼ TIL that operating system Linux is an example of anarcho-communism (en.wikipedia.org) submitted 2 years ago by pbpza@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml 267 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Many times, and it's always an option for FOSS software. What do you consider "working?" Mass adoption, or satisfying needs and use-cases? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (5 children) Many times what? Most forks die within a few months. Especially for big and well known projects. For example, io.js was a fork of NodeJs. Didn't last long and was killed by NodeJs. All the Firefox forks are pretty much dead as well. Linux also had plenty of forks by people who disagreed with Linus and where are they now? I bet you don't even remember their names. Forks don't work unless the original project is dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is incorrect. It's true that most (in fact, I would say almost all) forks go nowhere but that doesn't mean forking isn't incredibly valuable. Even the example you cite, "original project is dead" isn't just incidentally useful, it's critical to open source. Other examples include: project's core team is part of a for profit org that is moving the project in a bad, profit motivated direction: project's leader suddenly and dramatically loses respect (maybe he killed his wife or something); project's leader dies without leaving a digital will regarding who controls the core repo; project continues to direct effort into features while falling to address major security concerns; project is healthy and useful in every way but there is an important use case not being addressed, and the fork would address it. Even if 99% of forks fail, that's irrelevant because 99% of original projects fail in the same ways. Forks are critical to open source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Your comment doesn't make any sense, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try reading slower. Look up words you don't understand with a dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Try getting a brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago It seems to me that you've just made up your mind and as such are not invested in even trying to understand other arguments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) So mass adoption is your answer, and I'd say you're misguided. The purpose of FOSS isn't to make a profit, but to satisfy uses and needs. If a few people have a need for a fork and use it, then it's a success. You're judging FOSS software by popularity, rather than use, as though it's for profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's no success. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're misinformed. It's okay to admit when you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago No, you're just a delusional zealot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago What is a success? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Most new businesses fail as well. Maybe we shouldn't be starting new businesses either? Or perhaps this more about people being unprepared and out of their depth whether it's starting a new business or forking a code base. And not the individual actions themselves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yarmin@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago plenty of Firefox forks are still thriving and getting updates permalink fedilink source parent [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago All the Firefox forks are pretty much dead as well. Firedragon and LibreWolf seem to be pretty healthy. I've been using LW daily for over a year and FD daily for 1-2 years before that. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Aux@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (5 children) Many times what? Most forks die within a few months. Especially for big and well known projects. For example, io.js was a fork of NodeJs. Didn't last long and was killed by NodeJs. All the Firefox forks are pretty much dead as well. Linux also had plenty of forks by people who disagreed with Linus and where are they now? I bet you don't even remember their names. Forks don't work unless the original project is dead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is incorrect. It's true that most (in fact, I would say almost all) forks go nowhere but that doesn't mean forking isn't incredibly valuable. Even the example you cite, "original project is dead" isn't just incidentally useful, it's critical to open source. Other examples include: project's core team is part of a for profit org that is moving the project in a bad, profit motivated direction: project's leader suddenly and dramatically loses respect (maybe he killed his wife or something); project's leader dies without leaving a digital will regarding who controls the core repo; project continues to direct effort into features while falling to address major security concerns; project is healthy and useful in every way but there is an important use case not being addressed, and the fork would address it. Even if 99% of forks fail, that's irrelevant because 99% of original projects fail in the same ways. Forks are critical to open source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Your comment doesn't make any sense, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try reading slower. Look up words you don't understand with a dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Try getting a brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago It seems to me that you've just made up your mind and as such are not invested in even trying to understand other arguments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) So mass adoption is your answer, and I'd say you're misguided. The purpose of FOSS isn't to make a profit, but to satisfy uses and needs. If a few people have a need for a fork and use it, then it's a success. You're judging FOSS software by popularity, rather than use, as though it's for profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's no success. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're misinformed. It's okay to admit when you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago No, you're just a delusional zealot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago What is a success? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Most new businesses fail as well. Maybe we shouldn't be starting new businesses either? Or perhaps this more about people being unprepared and out of their depth whether it's starting a new business or forking a code base. And not the individual actions themselves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yarmin@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago plenty of Firefox forks are still thriving and getting updates permalink fedilink source parent [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago All the Firefox forks are pretty much dead as well. Firedragon and LibreWolf seem to be pretty healthy. I've been using LW daily for over a year and FD daily for 1-2 years before that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is incorrect. It's true that most (in fact, I would say almost all) forks go nowhere but that doesn't mean forking isn't incredibly valuable. Even the example you cite, "original project is dead" isn't just incidentally useful, it's critical to open source. Other examples include: project's core team is part of a for profit org that is moving the project in a bad, profit motivated direction: project's leader suddenly and dramatically loses respect (maybe he killed his wife or something); project's leader dies without leaving a digital will regarding who controls the core repo; project continues to direct effort into features while falling to address major security concerns; project is healthy and useful in every way but there is an important use case not being addressed, and the fork would address it. Even if 99% of forks fail, that's irrelevant because 99% of original projects fail in the same ways. Forks are critical to open source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Your comment doesn't make any sense, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try reading slower. Look up words you don't understand with a dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Try getting a brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago It seems to me that you've just made up your mind and as such are not invested in even trying to understand other arguments. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Aux@lemmy.world -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Your comment doesn't make any sense, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try reading slower. Look up words you don't understand with a dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Try getting a brain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago It seems to me that you've just made up your mind and as such are not invested in even trying to understand other arguments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try reading slower. Look up words you don't understand with a dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Try getting a brain. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago It seems to me that you've just made up your mind and as such are not invested in even trying to understand other arguments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) So mass adoption is your answer, and I'd say you're misguided. The purpose of FOSS isn't to make a profit, but to satisfy uses and needs. If a few people have a need for a fork and use it, then it's a success. You're judging FOSS software by popularity, rather than use, as though it's for profit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's no success. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're misinformed. It's okay to admit when you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago No, you're just a delusional zealot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago What is a success? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Aux@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's no success. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're misinformed. It's okay to admit when you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago No, you're just a delusional zealot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago What is a success? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're misinformed. It's okay to admit when you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago No, you're just a delusional zealot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago No, you're just a delusional zealot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Most new businesses fail as well. Maybe we shouldn't be starting new businesses either? Or perhaps this more about people being unprepared and out of their depth whether it's starting a new business or forking a code base. And not the individual actions themselves. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Yarmin@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago plenty of Firefox forks are still thriving and getting updates permalink fedilink source parent
[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago All the Firefox forks are pretty much dead as well. Firedragon and LibreWolf seem to be pretty healthy. I've been using LW daily for over a year and FD daily for 1-2 years before that. permalink fedilink source parent