▲ 422 ▼ TIL that operating system Linux is an example of anarcho-communism (en.wikipedia.org) submitted 2 years ago by pbpza@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml 267 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -35 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's actually a really good analogy, because it can only run on fully-capitalist hardware. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 years ago This not the dunk you think permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (2 children) What is "fully-capitalist hardware?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Reil@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and capitalist hardware. Fire at will, commander. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago No, not the Bootlicker Beam! permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same sort of deal as "anarcho-communist" operating systems. @@ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) That answers absolutely nothing. Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? I'm just gonna leave this quote as is, so you can think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I have. Engineers, ie workers, designed the hardware. It was not the Capitalists that owned the companies doing the design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How the hell did you pick lemmy.ml? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because people aren't one dimensional objects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that excuses a total lack of awareness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago It really seems like you didn't have an actual argument, you just wanted to whine and duck away from any pushback. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xb@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Amazing how every single part of your comment is so wrong. It's actually a really good analogy, Not an analogy, an example. Those two are different things. because it can only run on No, it can run on many things, including open source collaborative hardware that exists. fully-capitalist hardware. What the hell even is that? Fun fact: until very recently most of the computer hardware was made in communist China. I know, scary. And now that a lot of effort is being made to get that production out of there, those efforts are being sponsored by public money to an incredible degree. Billions of dollars of taxes (you know, community resources) are being poured into that because big corporations are the biggest lovers of government handouts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Fun fact: until very recently most of the computer hardware was made in communist China. I know, scary. China hasn't been communist in a long time. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) No, it can run on many things, including open source collaborative hardware that exists Please explain to me where this "open source collaborative" Internet hardware is on which you run your bitcoin network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ji59@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never heard of RISC-V? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Only RISC-V spec is open. Hardware is still proprietary and is using proprietary cores manufactured using proprietary tech processes. 1% open source in the product doesn't make the product fully open source. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago It's behind by decades of capitalists making the industry a festering shithole. permalink fedilink source parent [–] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 2 years ago Why does it matter which software we're running? Running a Bitcoin node on something comes right after running Doom on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 years ago This not the dunk you think permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (2 children) What is "fully-capitalist hardware?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Reil@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and capitalist hardware. Fire at will, commander. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago No, not the Bootlicker Beam! permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same sort of deal as "anarcho-communist" operating systems. @@ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) That answers absolutely nothing. Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? I'm just gonna leave this quote as is, so you can think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I have. Engineers, ie workers, designed the hardware. It was not the Capitalists that owned the companies doing the design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How the hell did you pick lemmy.ml? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because people aren't one dimensional objects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that excuses a total lack of awareness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago It really seems like you didn't have an actual argument, you just wanted to whine and duck away from any pushback. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reil@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and capitalist hardware. Fire at will, commander. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago No, not the Bootlicker Beam! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago No, not the Bootlicker Beam! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same sort of deal as "anarcho-communist" operating systems. @@ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) That answers absolutely nothing. Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? I'm just gonna leave this quote as is, so you can think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I have. Engineers, ie workers, designed the hardware. It was not the Capitalists that owned the companies doing the design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How the hell did you pick lemmy.ml? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because people aren't one dimensional objects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that excuses a total lack of awareness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago It really seems like you didn't have an actual argument, you just wanted to whine and duck away from any pushback. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) That answers absolutely nothing. Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? I'm just gonna leave this quote as is, so you can think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I have. Engineers, ie workers, designed the hardware. It was not the Capitalists that owned the companies doing the design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How the hell did you pick lemmy.ml? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because people aren't one dimensional objects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that excuses a total lack of awareness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago It really seems like you didn't have an actual argument, you just wanted to whine and duck away from any pushback. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (3 children) Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers? I'm just gonna leave this quote as is, so you can think about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I have. Engineers, ie workers, designed the hardware. It was not the Capitalists that owned the companies doing the design. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How the hell did you pick lemmy.ml? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because people aren't one dimensional objects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that excuses a total lack of awareness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bear@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago It really seems like you didn't have an actual argument, you just wanted to whine and duck away from any pushback. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I have. Engineers, ie workers, designed the hardware. It was not the Capitalists that owned the companies doing the design. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How the hell did you pick lemmy.ml? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because people aren't one dimensional objects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that excuses a total lack of awareness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because people aren't one dimensional objects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that excuses a total lack of awareness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And that excuses a total lack of awareness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't need to excuse your imagination. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value. Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up. This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant. I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite. None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops. At no point did shareholders build hardware. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bear@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago It really seems like you didn't have an actual argument, you just wanted to whine and duck away from any pushback. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0xb@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Amazing how every single part of your comment is so wrong. It's actually a really good analogy, Not an analogy, an example. Those two are different things. because it can only run on No, it can run on many things, including open source collaborative hardware that exists. fully-capitalist hardware. What the hell even is that? Fun fact: until very recently most of the computer hardware was made in communist China. I know, scary. And now that a lot of effort is being made to get that production out of there, those efforts are being sponsored by public money to an incredible degree. Billions of dollars of taxes (you know, community resources) are being poured into that because big corporations are the biggest lovers of government handouts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Fun fact: until very recently most of the computer hardware was made in communist China. I know, scary. China hasn't been communist in a long time. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) No, it can run on many things, including open source collaborative hardware that exists Please explain to me where this "open source collaborative" Internet hardware is on which you run your bitcoin network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ji59@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never heard of RISC-V? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Only RISC-V spec is open. Hardware is still proprietary and is using proprietary cores manufactured using proprietary tech processes. 1% open source in the product doesn't make the product fully open source. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago It's behind by decades of capitalists making the industry a festering shithole. permalink fedilink source parent [–] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 2 years ago Why does it matter which software we're running? Running a Bitcoin node on something comes right after running Doom on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Fun fact: until very recently most of the computer hardware was made in communist China. I know, scary. China hasn't been communist in a long time. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) No, it can run on many things, including open source collaborative hardware that exists Please explain to me where this "open source collaborative" Internet hardware is on which you run your bitcoin network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ji59@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never heard of RISC-V? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Only RISC-V spec is open. Hardware is still proprietary and is using proprietary cores manufactured using proprietary tech processes. 1% open source in the product doesn't make the product fully open source. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago It's behind by decades of capitalists making the industry a festering shithole. permalink fedilink source parent [–] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 2 years ago Why does it matter which software we're running? Running a Bitcoin node on something comes right after running Doom on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ji59@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never heard of RISC-V? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Only RISC-V spec is open. Hardware is still proprietary and is using proprietary cores manufactured using proprietary tech processes. 1% open source in the product doesn't make the product fully open source. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Only RISC-V spec is open. Hardware is still proprietary and is using proprietary cores manufactured using proprietary tech processes. 1% open source in the product doesn't make the product fully open source. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aniki@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago It's behind by decades of capitalists making the industry a festering shithole. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 2 years ago Why does it matter which software we're running? Running a Bitcoin node on something comes right after running Doom on it. permalink fedilink source parent