▲ 422 ▼ TIL that operating system Linux is an example of anarcho-communism (en.wikipedia.org) submitted 2 years ago by pbpza@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml 267 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] gaael@lemmy.world 115 points 2 years ago (28 children) Please stop posting good reasons to use Linux, I already feel bad enough for the poor people stuck in Win$ and MacO$ permalink fedilink source hideshow 30 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Whenever people talk about how difficult Linux is to install i ask them if they've installed Windows lately. They all say "yes". I do not believe a word of it, though. If they had done so--or more likely, tried to do so--there's no way they'd have that opinion. I'm sure they've gone into their OEM's recovery menu and hit "reinstall" or whatever, but that's a very different process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Shalade@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago It's "hard" to us because we actually uncheck the telemetry settings and care about not having a Microsoft account on, including the additional debloating afterwards. For the average user, clicking next every step, ignoring the data harvesting effort and creating / using a Microsoft account is part of the experience and "normal" to them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's funny because I've built like six Windows machines and the install process is always a snap. You just select what drive to install to, what telemetry options you want on/off, and then press start. You don't even have to have an Internet connection/Microsoft account if you don't want to, you can just create a local one. I don't understand how you guys have such a hard time with it. Certain distros of Linux are pretty easy to get going, but Windows is only hard if you refuse to leave your Linux knowledge bubble, ever. Sure we can talk about how you have to go in and do X and Y in order to get it configured how YOU want, but that shit applies in Linux too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never installed Windows 11 outside of assisting company IT, but we have install media/network based images we can push. I'm referring to W10, I don't like 11 at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago when I installed Windows 11 Pro yesterday, there was no obvious option to install without an internet connection and a Microsoft account ..... Christ on a fucking cracker man, leave the fucking ethernet cable unplugged... permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] corroded@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) I've tried switching to Linux exclusively multiple times, and I always end up falling back to Windows on my desktop. I have multiple Linux servers and VMs, but there are two main barriers. First is gaming. Last time I tried, I couldn't get RTX working in some titles, EA launcher was broken, and it was generally just buggy. The second reason is for coding. I've been coding for Windows for almost 20 years, and I am hugely reliant on Visual Studio. I just can't find a comparable alternative for Linux. I'd ditch Windows in a second if I could make Linux work for me, but so far I haven't had much luck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) RTX is one of those things that just isn't optional for me. I may be in the minority, but I am far more concerned with how games look than how they run. As long as my FPS is above 30 or so, I'm generally okay with performance. I feel like Windows will always support those "extra features" like RTX before Linux, unfortunately. I really comes down to market share, I think; the developers at Nvidia and AMD are going to target Windows first, and the people who maintain Proton are stuck in second place. You'll have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands, though; I liked Vista better than Windows 11. For development, I'm locked into Windows at work, but my job isn't specifically software development; it just happens to be a useful skill to have in my career. I do far more coding at home, and I certainly have the option of switching to Linux. I think I've just been spoiled by Visual Studio's all-in-one approach for so long. My #1 concern is debugging. I haven't seen an Linux IDE that allows for stepping back through the call stack and checking variable states inside the IDE quite like VS does it. To be clear, I'm not bashing Linux at all. I've been a homelabber for longer than I can remember, and I have a total of 3 physical machines and VMs that run Windows compared to a total of probably 20 that run Linux, FreeBSD, or some other POSIX variant. I have so few Windows machines that I actually own legal licenses for all of them. I do feel like the people who say "Just run Linux on your desktop PC; it can do everything Windows can" are looking at the operating system through rose-colored glasses. Linux will always be the best choice for anything that doesn't require having a monitor attached, but otherwise, it feels like it's playing catch-up to Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have a friend that does .NET development on Linux. So I guess that's possible. I know he uses JetBrains Rider as an IDE instead of visual studio. I'm sure there are some other hoops he jumps through, as well, but I never really dove into it with him. I always used Visual Studio in Uni, myself. I also have a Windows partition for gaming and music production. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) .NET is infuriating enough on Windows. Any time I have to work with a .NET library, I always write a wrapper with a C or C++ interface first. Your friend who does .NET development on Linux has far more patience than I can ever hope to have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* For sure. If I was going to do .NET again I would just fire up Windows and Visual Studio like most other sane people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago I use VS Code on Linux, but yeah regular VS is Windows-only. Maybe people good at compatibility layers can get it working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago VS Code(ium) doesn't work for you instead? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had to run a hidden script at a specific point during the install to allow me to not have to use a Microsoft account No, all you had to do was leave the PC disconnected from the internet during the install. I had to install a 3rd party Nvidia driver update tool because their official one requires making an account and gives a bunch of unwanted ads as notifications. The nVidia driver, direct from nVidia, certainly does not require an account. Only need an account if you plan on using GeForce Experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Hey, why get rid of valueable computing devices 😃 there is nothing more fun than a rolling distro like arch pr openSuse tumbleweed on old apple hardware 😁 i live a free computing live where I collect trash (mostly from my father and thus apple devices) and install Linux on them to make them treasures I love it because I hate eWaste permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago I love resurrecting old hardware with Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago 🤩👌🏻awesome, we need more people like you permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yuki@kutsuya.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) For the Microsoft account during install you can just type: a@a.com as username and a as password, then submit. It'll then tell you this account is blocked or doesn't work and allows you to create a local account instead. The setup is so bloated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (26 replies)
[+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Whenever people talk about how difficult Linux is to install i ask them if they've installed Windows lately. They all say "yes". I do not believe a word of it, though. If they had done so--or more likely, tried to do so--there's no way they'd have that opinion. I'm sure they've gone into their OEM's recovery menu and hit "reinstall" or whatever, but that's a very different process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Shalade@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago It's "hard" to us because we actually uncheck the telemetry settings and care about not having a Microsoft account on, including the additional debloating afterwards. For the average user, clicking next every step, ignoring the data harvesting effort and creating / using a Microsoft account is part of the experience and "normal" to them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's funny because I've built like six Windows machines and the install process is always a snap. You just select what drive to install to, what telemetry options you want on/off, and then press start. You don't even have to have an Internet connection/Microsoft account if you don't want to, you can just create a local one. I don't understand how you guys have such a hard time with it. Certain distros of Linux are pretty easy to get going, but Windows is only hard if you refuse to leave your Linux knowledge bubble, ever. Sure we can talk about how you have to go in and do X and Y in order to get it configured how YOU want, but that shit applies in Linux too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never installed Windows 11 outside of assisting company IT, but we have install media/network based images we can push. I'm referring to W10, I don't like 11 at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago when I installed Windows 11 Pro yesterday, there was no obvious option to install without an internet connection and a Microsoft account ..... Christ on a fucking cracker man, leave the fucking ethernet cable unplugged... permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] corroded@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) I've tried switching to Linux exclusively multiple times, and I always end up falling back to Windows on my desktop. I have multiple Linux servers and VMs, but there are two main barriers. First is gaming. Last time I tried, I couldn't get RTX working in some titles, EA launcher was broken, and it was generally just buggy. The second reason is for coding. I've been coding for Windows for almost 20 years, and I am hugely reliant on Visual Studio. I just can't find a comparable alternative for Linux. I'd ditch Windows in a second if I could make Linux work for me, but so far I haven't had much luck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) RTX is one of those things that just isn't optional for me. I may be in the minority, but I am far more concerned with how games look than how they run. As long as my FPS is above 30 or so, I'm generally okay with performance. I feel like Windows will always support those "extra features" like RTX before Linux, unfortunately. I really comes down to market share, I think; the developers at Nvidia and AMD are going to target Windows first, and the people who maintain Proton are stuck in second place. You'll have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands, though; I liked Vista better than Windows 11. For development, I'm locked into Windows at work, but my job isn't specifically software development; it just happens to be a useful skill to have in my career. I do far more coding at home, and I certainly have the option of switching to Linux. I think I've just been spoiled by Visual Studio's all-in-one approach for so long. My #1 concern is debugging. I haven't seen an Linux IDE that allows for stepping back through the call stack and checking variable states inside the IDE quite like VS does it. To be clear, I'm not bashing Linux at all. I've been a homelabber for longer than I can remember, and I have a total of 3 physical machines and VMs that run Windows compared to a total of probably 20 that run Linux, FreeBSD, or some other POSIX variant. I have so few Windows machines that I actually own legal licenses for all of them. I do feel like the people who say "Just run Linux on your desktop PC; it can do everything Windows can" are looking at the operating system through rose-colored glasses. Linux will always be the best choice for anything that doesn't require having a monitor attached, but otherwise, it feels like it's playing catch-up to Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have a friend that does .NET development on Linux. So I guess that's possible. I know he uses JetBrains Rider as an IDE instead of visual studio. I'm sure there are some other hoops he jumps through, as well, but I never really dove into it with him. I always used Visual Studio in Uni, myself. I also have a Windows partition for gaming and music production. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) .NET is infuriating enough on Windows. Any time I have to work with a .NET library, I always write a wrapper with a C or C++ interface first. Your friend who does .NET development on Linux has far more patience than I can ever hope to have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* For sure. If I was going to do .NET again I would just fire up Windows and Visual Studio like most other sane people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago I use VS Code on Linux, but yeah regular VS is Windows-only. Maybe people good at compatibility layers can get it working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago VS Code(ium) doesn't work for you instead? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had to run a hidden script at a specific point during the install to allow me to not have to use a Microsoft account No, all you had to do was leave the PC disconnected from the internet during the install. I had to install a 3rd party Nvidia driver update tool because their official one requires making an account and gives a bunch of unwanted ads as notifications. The nVidia driver, direct from nVidia, certainly does not require an account. Only need an account if you plan on using GeForce Experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Hey, why get rid of valueable computing devices 😃 there is nothing more fun than a rolling distro like arch pr openSuse tumbleweed on old apple hardware 😁 i live a free computing live where I collect trash (mostly from my father and thus apple devices) and install Linux on them to make them treasures I love it because I hate eWaste permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago I love resurrecting old hardware with Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago 🤩👌🏻awesome, we need more people like you permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yuki@kutsuya.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) For the Microsoft account during install you can just type: a@a.com as username and a as password, then submit. It'll then tell you this account is blocked or doesn't work and allows you to create a local account instead. The setup is so bloated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Whenever people talk about how difficult Linux is to install i ask them if they've installed Windows lately. They all say "yes". I do not believe a word of it, though. If they had done so--or more likely, tried to do so--there's no way they'd have that opinion. I'm sure they've gone into their OEM's recovery menu and hit "reinstall" or whatever, but that's a very different process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Shalade@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago It's "hard" to us because we actually uncheck the telemetry settings and care about not having a Microsoft account on, including the additional debloating afterwards. For the average user, clicking next every step, ignoring the data harvesting effort and creating / using a Microsoft account is part of the experience and "normal" to them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's funny because I've built like six Windows machines and the install process is always a snap. You just select what drive to install to, what telemetry options you want on/off, and then press start. You don't even have to have an Internet connection/Microsoft account if you don't want to, you can just create a local one. I don't understand how you guys have such a hard time with it. Certain distros of Linux are pretty easy to get going, but Windows is only hard if you refuse to leave your Linux knowledge bubble, ever. Sure we can talk about how you have to go in and do X and Y in order to get it configured how YOU want, but that shit applies in Linux too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never installed Windows 11 outside of assisting company IT, but we have install media/network based images we can push. I'm referring to W10, I don't like 11 at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago when I installed Windows 11 Pro yesterday, there was no obvious option to install without an internet connection and a Microsoft account ..... Christ on a fucking cracker man, leave the fucking ethernet cable unplugged... permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Shalade@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago It's "hard" to us because we actually uncheck the telemetry settings and care about not having a Microsoft account on, including the additional debloating afterwards. For the average user, clicking next every step, ignoring the data harvesting effort and creating / using a Microsoft account is part of the experience and "normal" to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's funny because I've built like six Windows machines and the install process is always a snap. You just select what drive to install to, what telemetry options you want on/off, and then press start. You don't even have to have an Internet connection/Microsoft account if you don't want to, you can just create a local one. I don't understand how you guys have such a hard time with it. Certain distros of Linux are pretty easy to get going, but Windows is only hard if you refuse to leave your Linux knowledge bubble, ever. Sure we can talk about how you have to go in and do X and Y in order to get it configured how YOU want, but that shit applies in Linux too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never installed Windows 11 outside of assisting company IT, but we have install media/network based images we can push. I'm referring to W10, I don't like 11 at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago when I installed Windows 11 Pro yesterday, there was no obvious option to install without an internet connection and a Microsoft account ..... Christ on a fucking cracker man, leave the fucking ethernet cable unplugged... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never installed Windows 11 outside of assisting company IT, but we have install media/network based images we can push. I'm referring to W10, I don't like 11 at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago when I installed Windows 11 Pro yesterday, there was no obvious option to install without an internet connection and a Microsoft account ..... Christ on a fucking cracker man, leave the fucking ethernet cable unplugged... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've never installed Windows 11 outside of assisting company IT, but we have install media/network based images we can push. I'm referring to W10, I don't like 11 at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago when I installed Windows 11 Pro yesterday, there was no obvious option to install without an internet connection and a Microsoft account ..... Christ on a fucking cracker man, leave the fucking ethernet cable unplugged... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corroded@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) I've tried switching to Linux exclusively multiple times, and I always end up falling back to Windows on my desktop. I have multiple Linux servers and VMs, but there are two main barriers. First is gaming. Last time I tried, I couldn't get RTX working in some titles, EA launcher was broken, and it was generally just buggy. The second reason is for coding. I've been coding for Windows for almost 20 years, and I am hugely reliant on Visual Studio. I just can't find a comparable alternative for Linux. I'd ditch Windows in a second if I could make Linux work for me, but so far I haven't had much luck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) RTX is one of those things that just isn't optional for me. I may be in the minority, but I am far more concerned with how games look than how they run. As long as my FPS is above 30 or so, I'm generally okay with performance. I feel like Windows will always support those "extra features" like RTX before Linux, unfortunately. I really comes down to market share, I think; the developers at Nvidia and AMD are going to target Windows first, and the people who maintain Proton are stuck in second place. You'll have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands, though; I liked Vista better than Windows 11. For development, I'm locked into Windows at work, but my job isn't specifically software development; it just happens to be a useful skill to have in my career. I do far more coding at home, and I certainly have the option of switching to Linux. I think I've just been spoiled by Visual Studio's all-in-one approach for so long. My #1 concern is debugging. I haven't seen an Linux IDE that allows for stepping back through the call stack and checking variable states inside the IDE quite like VS does it. To be clear, I'm not bashing Linux at all. I've been a homelabber for longer than I can remember, and I have a total of 3 physical machines and VMs that run Windows compared to a total of probably 20 that run Linux, FreeBSD, or some other POSIX variant. I have so few Windows machines that I actually own legal licenses for all of them. I do feel like the people who say "Just run Linux on your desktop PC; it can do everything Windows can" are looking at the operating system through rose-colored glasses. Linux will always be the best choice for anything that doesn't require having a monitor attached, but otherwise, it feels like it's playing catch-up to Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have a friend that does .NET development on Linux. So I guess that's possible. I know he uses JetBrains Rider as an IDE instead of visual studio. I'm sure there are some other hoops he jumps through, as well, but I never really dove into it with him. I always used Visual Studio in Uni, myself. I also have a Windows partition for gaming and music production. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) .NET is infuriating enough on Windows. Any time I have to work with a .NET library, I always write a wrapper with a C or C++ interface first. Your friend who does .NET development on Linux has far more patience than I can ever hope to have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* For sure. If I was going to do .NET again I would just fire up Windows and Visual Studio like most other sane people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago I use VS Code on Linux, but yeah regular VS is Windows-only. Maybe people good at compatibility layers can get it working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago VS Code(ium) doesn't work for you instead? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) RTX is one of those things that just isn't optional for me. I may be in the minority, but I am far more concerned with how games look than how they run. As long as my FPS is above 30 or so, I'm generally okay with performance. I feel like Windows will always support those "extra features" like RTX before Linux, unfortunately. I really comes down to market share, I think; the developers at Nvidia and AMD are going to target Windows first, and the people who maintain Proton are stuck in second place. You'll have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands, though; I liked Vista better than Windows 11. For development, I'm locked into Windows at work, but my job isn't specifically software development; it just happens to be a useful skill to have in my career. I do far more coding at home, and I certainly have the option of switching to Linux. I think I've just been spoiled by Visual Studio's all-in-one approach for so long. My #1 concern is debugging. I haven't seen an Linux IDE that allows for stepping back through the call stack and checking variable states inside the IDE quite like VS does it. To be clear, I'm not bashing Linux at all. I've been a homelabber for longer than I can remember, and I have a total of 3 physical machines and VMs that run Windows compared to a total of probably 20 that run Linux, FreeBSD, or some other POSIX variant. I have so few Windows machines that I actually own legal licenses for all of them. I do feel like the people who say "Just run Linux on your desktop PC; it can do everything Windows can" are looking at the operating system through rose-colored glasses. Linux will always be the best choice for anything that doesn't require having a monitor attached, but otherwise, it feels like it's playing catch-up to Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) RTX is one of those things that just isn't optional for me. I may be in the minority, but I am far more concerned with how games look than how they run. As long as my FPS is above 30 or so, I'm generally okay with performance. I feel like Windows will always support those "extra features" like RTX before Linux, unfortunately. I really comes down to market share, I think; the developers at Nvidia and AMD are going to target Windows first, and the people who maintain Proton are stuck in second place. You'll have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands, though; I liked Vista better than Windows 11. For development, I'm locked into Windows at work, but my job isn't specifically software development; it just happens to be a useful skill to have in my career. I do far more coding at home, and I certainly have the option of switching to Linux. I think I've just been spoiled by Visual Studio's all-in-one approach for so long. My #1 concern is debugging. I haven't seen an Linux IDE that allows for stepping back through the call stack and checking variable states inside the IDE quite like VS does it. To be clear, I'm not bashing Linux at all. I've been a homelabber for longer than I can remember, and I have a total of 3 physical machines and VMs that run Windows compared to a total of probably 20 that run Linux, FreeBSD, or some other POSIX variant. I have so few Windows machines that I actually own legal licenses for all of them. I do feel like the people who say "Just run Linux on your desktop PC; it can do everything Windows can" are looking at the operating system through rose-colored glasses. Linux will always be the best choice for anything that doesn't require having a monitor attached, but otherwise, it feels like it's playing catch-up to Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have a friend that does .NET development on Linux. So I guess that's possible. I know he uses JetBrains Rider as an IDE instead of visual studio. I'm sure there are some other hoops he jumps through, as well, but I never really dove into it with him. I always used Visual Studio in Uni, myself. I also have a Windows partition for gaming and music production. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) .NET is infuriating enough on Windows. Any time I have to work with a .NET library, I always write a wrapper with a C or C++ interface first. Your friend who does .NET development on Linux has far more patience than I can ever hope to have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* For sure. If I was going to do .NET again I would just fire up Windows and Visual Studio like most other sane people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) .NET is infuriating enough on Windows. Any time I have to work with a .NET library, I always write a wrapper with a C or C++ interface first. Your friend who does .NET development on Linux has far more patience than I can ever hope to have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* For sure. If I was going to do .NET again I would just fire up Windows and Visual Studio like most other sane people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* For sure. If I was going to do .NET again I would just fire up Windows and Visual Studio like most other sane people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago I use VS Code on Linux, but yeah regular VS is Windows-only. Maybe people good at compatibility layers can get it working. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago VS Code(ium) doesn't work for you instead? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had to run a hidden script at a specific point during the install to allow me to not have to use a Microsoft account No, all you had to do was leave the PC disconnected from the internet during the install. I had to install a 3rd party Nvidia driver update tool because their official one requires making an account and gives a bunch of unwanted ads as notifications. The nVidia driver, direct from nVidia, certainly does not require an account. Only need an account if you plan on using GeForce Experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Hey, why get rid of valueable computing devices 😃 there is nothing more fun than a rolling distro like arch pr openSuse tumbleweed on old apple hardware 😁 i live a free computing live where I collect trash (mostly from my father and thus apple devices) and install Linux on them to make them treasures I love it because I hate eWaste permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago I love resurrecting old hardware with Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago 🤩👌🏻awesome, we need more people like you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago I love resurrecting old hardware with Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago 🤩👌🏻awesome, we need more people like you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago 🤩👌🏻awesome, we need more people like you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Yuki@kutsuya.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) For the Microsoft account during install you can just type: a@a.com as username and a as password, then submit. It'll then tell you this account is blocked or doesn't work and allows you to create a local account instead. The setup is so bloated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] thejevans@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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