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Web Environment Integrity: What's Going On? (openwebdefenders.org)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/programming@programming.dev
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We (me with a friend) created this page https://openwebdefenders.org and planning to create banners for websites that may want to inform their users on what's going on.

If anyone wants to contribute somehow or have other ideas I would be happy to discuss on https://github.com/openwebdefenders/web/issues

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[–] 19 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Change the sentence "Do you use browsers other than the mainstream ones like Chrome or Firefox" because Firefox is already a very small third-party browser.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    How is Firefox a small 3rd party browser? FF is the basis for browsers like libreoffice, icewolf etc.. it is not 3rd party, it is first party like chrome, opera and safari. Actually if you want to go that far, chrome actually started off as a fork of opera

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Firefox is used by less than 3% of the users, it should not be used in this sentence. Also I'm not sure they'll implement the integrity thing, which is another issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I agree Firefox doesn’t have a large share of the browsers, but if you are basing it on user share then the only mainstream browsers are safari and chrome. However, the term third party is generally utilized as a fork of a primary access point or is the access point via another means, even if it’s original.

    For example, the apps to access lemmy are third party as they are not created by the original devs for lemmy. In this argument FF is classified as first party not third.

    Don’t get me wrong I understood what you were trying to say, but based on your reply then pretty much chrome would be the only mainstream browser.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    And that's exactly what Google wants. Everything already works best with Google Chrome, so what's wrong a little more incentive to convert more users into using a telemetry-laden spyware browser?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    very true, but if you remember correctly a similar thought process killed IE, and is now harming Edge on windows. The only draw back is everyone wants to use chrome, not realizing how much info they are handing out to Google. Many just don't care, and yet they will gladly complain about privacy on other matters.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I understand what glad_cat means, and they are kinda correct. On the other hand, FF (at least, for now) won't be implementing this change.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I do too, but his reasoning is flawed. Based on his reasoning that would be saying Lemmy is a third party site because it doesn’t have the user share that Reddit does.

    Microsoft’s edge browser is a fork of chromium, it’s not even first party anymore, like IE was.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago*

    I would consider changing the sentence not because Firefox is not mainstream, but because Firefox is also at risk for not implementing WEI.

    In the end many might consider Firefox mainstream - not in terms of its current user base that change every year - but because a large percentage of internet users recognize the Firefox name. But being mainstream or not - and what that means - is not that relevant here.

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