▲ 899 ▼ The NYPD Spent $150 Million to Catch Farebeaters Who Cost the MTA $104,000 (hellgatenyc.com) submitted 2 years ago by flyingsheep@lemmyhub.com to c/news@lemmy.world 138 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not, and I don't even need to go look it up. Operating a subway is expensive. Maintenance, new lines, new trains, you name it, it costs shitloads permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Aurelius@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago It's so expensive that the NYC subway used to be multiple private railroad companies but the business just wasn't feasible (at a reasonable price) when the market had a downturn - which is why the city eventually took it over. This is why the track geographies are so odd in NYC permalink fedilink source parent [–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Operating a subway is expensive only when you don’t compare it to operating a city on cars shrugs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yes exactly this. Car infrastructure is the most expensive transportation infrastructure per capita possible. It’s why the US spends tons of public money on transportation and has just crumbling highways to show for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might also be because of how massive the US is with relatively big distances between big cities permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Most commutes are not between major cities, they are within metro regions, so the size of the US doesn’t explain the terrible infrastructure. Besides, for decades now, most of Europe has no political impediments to travel, same as the US. People can commute from Berlin to Madrid as if it were one country. Density matters, but not the size of the country. As for density, there are many US regions that are of similar density and distance apart as European cities, such as DC-NY-Boston, or Portland-Seattle-Vancouver, SF-LA, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aurelius@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago It's so expensive that the NYC subway used to be multiple private railroad companies but the business just wasn't feasible (at a reasonable price) when the market had a downturn - which is why the city eventually took it over. This is why the track geographies are so odd in NYC permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Operating a subway is expensive only when you don’t compare it to operating a city on cars shrugs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yes exactly this. Car infrastructure is the most expensive transportation infrastructure per capita possible. It’s why the US spends tons of public money on transportation and has just crumbling highways to show for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might also be because of how massive the US is with relatively big distances between big cities permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Most commutes are not between major cities, they are within metro regions, so the size of the US doesn’t explain the terrible infrastructure. Besides, for decades now, most of Europe has no political impediments to travel, same as the US. People can commute from Berlin to Madrid as if it were one country. Density matters, but not the size of the country. As for density, there are many US regions that are of similar density and distance apart as European cities, such as DC-NY-Boston, or Portland-Seattle-Vancouver, SF-LA, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yes exactly this. Car infrastructure is the most expensive transportation infrastructure per capita possible. It’s why the US spends tons of public money on transportation and has just crumbling highways to show for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might also be because of how massive the US is with relatively big distances between big cities permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Most commutes are not between major cities, they are within metro regions, so the size of the US doesn’t explain the terrible infrastructure. Besides, for decades now, most of Europe has no political impediments to travel, same as the US. People can commute from Berlin to Madrid as if it were one country. Density matters, but not the size of the country. As for density, there are many US regions that are of similar density and distance apart as European cities, such as DC-NY-Boston, or Portland-Seattle-Vancouver, SF-LA, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might also be because of how massive the US is with relatively big distances between big cities permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Most commutes are not between major cities, they are within metro regions, so the size of the US doesn’t explain the terrible infrastructure. Besides, for decades now, most of Europe has no political impediments to travel, same as the US. People can commute from Berlin to Madrid as if it were one country. Density matters, but not the size of the country. As for density, there are many US regions that are of similar density and distance apart as European cities, such as DC-NY-Boston, or Portland-Seattle-Vancouver, SF-LA, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago Most commutes are not between major cities, they are within metro regions, so the size of the US doesn’t explain the terrible infrastructure. Besides, for decades now, most of Europe has no political impediments to travel, same as the US. People can commute from Berlin to Madrid as if it were one country. Density matters, but not the size of the country. As for density, there are many US regions that are of similar density and distance apart as European cities, such as DC-NY-Boston, or Portland-Seattle-Vancouver, SF-LA, etc. permalink fedilink source parent