▲ 586 ▼ As if the tip actually goes to the dashers. (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world 359 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 63 points 2 years ago* (4 children) They already know the pay. If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago* (2 children) You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, but without the rights of workers, right? So you're criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I'm criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can't pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job. I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding "guess I just didn't think about it because I'm so goddamned stupid" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The first statement was meant as in these delivery services don't deserve to keep their workers. They should instead look for a better job that will pay them properly. But that's what these delivery services do...prey on the vulnerable that are desperate which is why there should be laws protecting them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I agree with you completely but at the same time I have disdain for gig workers because they all seem to operate under an entirely different set of traffic laws and social conventions. At least where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kase@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wdym by social conventions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I see them acting rudely to restaurant staff and grocery store staff often. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The pay is about $2 per order, regardless of mileage. Dashers can typically complete 2-3 orders per hour, and pay for their own fuel. The base pay is absolutely not worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They are paid approximately $4 to $6 per hour, and yet some people are still defending the practice and asking customers to pay extra on top of the food and the $10+ delivery charge... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Given their compensation model, all I can say is that if you are not willing to tip, and/or you are not willing to tip ahead of time, you absolutely should not use the service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I don't, specifically for that exact reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago Good. Now, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ElleChaise@kbin.social -14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Practically nobody does uber as their main job, they do it because they either want/need extra money, or are struggling to survive at all. I know uberers, none of them would choose the job, but they can't find other work. There's an intentional lack of employment, in my country at least, to keep the workers moving forward; "Do for us, or end up like those people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago If your business requires you to exploit your workers in order to make a profit, then your business doesn't deserve to exist. Making excuses for the exploiters changes nothing. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works -20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) If you think tipping, a current necessity to ensure proper pay, is not something you should be doing why don't you stop using food services which expect tipping? They won't stop underpaying because you don't tip they'll just blame the worker. The one who can't quit, because there's not alot of work around, and they need food for survival permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) A tip before service is not a tip. It's coercion. Maybe we should consider adding regulation to this entire industry to ensure fair pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Centillionaire@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m all for ending tipping culture. And a tip before service may not be a tip, but as long as this is how it’s set up, it’s the current way we must do things. Just like if you want someone to do some handy work for you, you can go on Craigslist and say “need someone to do ‘x’. Will pay $150” and workers who search on there for jobs will decide whether or not it’s worth it for them to do the job. This job just so happens to be giving you food or a ride. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, and if a company can't pay their workers enough, then workers are not obligated to work there. It is not my responsibility to ensure your workers are paid fairly, regardless of how things are currently set up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cynar@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the UK (and a lot of Europe) tipping is completely optional. We only tip for exceptional service or if we've made the server's life difficult. It's an optional extra for the server. At this point, it's so endemic, in the US, that it likely needs to be fixed from the governmental level, but that doesn't make it something that can't be complained about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Devi@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago American workers rights really scare me. Tipping being allowed to subsidise wages is awful, but so is the safety legislation, and child labour laws. We have issues in the UK obviously, but they're relatively minor in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 years ago* It's only expected because consumers with a similar mentality keep supplying the bandaids to the business. That, and poor local and federal regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) take it up with the state you elected. If they allow you to work for a wage that's not enough to live on, and you don't get a different job - that's a you problem not a customer problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's a poverty trap. Your choice often isn't "get another job" or stay there. It's do this job, and survive another month, or quit and be not be able to afford basic necessities (like rent, or food). Unfortunately, the job can leave you too mentally and/or physically exhausted to properly hunt or reskill for another job. It's a catch 22 situation. Interestingly, COVID actually helped a lot of people on that front. The government income support, and enforced rest let people stop, breathe and think. Many then went on to do exactly what you suggested. Unfortunately there's always more to be drawn into the trap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This doesn't justify flaming customers because we won't pay them extra for doing their job. Does it suck for them? Maybe. Do I work hard for my money and don't want to hand it our to them? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dashers are not employees. There is no employer obligating a Dasher to serve the business's customers. A waitress is an employee. Her employer can demand that she serve a particular customer. She can be fired for refusing to serve you. A Dasher is not an employee. DoorDash cannot fire a Dasher for refusing to accept an order. The Dasher is perfectly free to decline your offer for any reason they want. The only information the Dasher is given is the location of the pickup, the location of the dropoff, and how much you are willing to pay for the trip. From that information, the Dasher has to decide whether to take the offer, or decline. When your offer is so shitty that it would cost more to fulfill it than you're offering the Dasher is absolutely justified in flaming you to a crisp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Noone said dashers has to accept every order regardless of the tip. If they accept it though, they need to stfu. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Personally I tip 20% or more at most Restaurants. I draw the line at tipping before service as well. They aren’t even pretending anymore that it’s about service. That said, I don’t use any Gig economy service; I don’t believe in their business models at all, and part of what you are saying is why. Workers shouldn’t be taking on the burden, companies should. I do tip at some pre-service places that I’m a regular at, but I’ve run into some pretty ridiculous stores asking for tips where nothing warrants it. I try to be fair, but it is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SweetRiot@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) One of the most ridiculous tipping related thing happened a couple of weeks ago. I was ordering some pantry items from an online store that shipped to me (shipping fee was separate, based on how much is purchased). They had a vinegar that I couldn't find locally or online elsewhere, and since they are a small family business, I decided to order a few other things to support them even though all their prices were a bit higher than other places. When checking out, they asked for a 20-25% tip to help support their small family business. That just made me mad. Never going to shop from them again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yes that’s completely ridiculous. You’re helping their small business by shopping there in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago* (2 children) You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, but without the rights of workers, right? So you're criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I'm criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can't pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job. I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding "guess I just didn't think about it because I'm so goddamned stupid" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The first statement was meant as in these delivery services don't deserve to keep their workers. They should instead look for a better job that will pay them properly. But that's what these delivery services do...prey on the vulnerable that are desperate which is why there should be laws protecting them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I agree with you completely but at the same time I have disdain for gig workers because they all seem to operate under an entirely different set of traffic laws and social conventions. At least where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kase@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wdym by social conventions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I see them acting rudely to restaurant staff and grocery store staff often. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I'm criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can't pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job. I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding "guess I just didn't think about it because I'm so goddamned stupid" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The first statement was meant as in these delivery services don't deserve to keep their workers. They should instead look for a better job that will pay them properly. But that's what these delivery services do...prey on the vulnerable that are desperate which is why there should be laws protecting them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job. I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding "guess I just didn't think about it because I'm so goddamned stupid" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The first statement was meant as in these delivery services don't deserve to keep their workers. They should instead look for a better job that will pay them properly. But that's what these delivery services do...prey on the vulnerable that are desperate which is why there should be laws protecting them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The first statement was meant as in these delivery services don't deserve to keep their workers. They should instead look for a better job that will pay them properly. But that's what these delivery services do...prey on the vulnerable that are desperate which is why there should be laws protecting them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I agree with you completely but at the same time I have disdain for gig workers because they all seem to operate under an entirely different set of traffic laws and social conventions. At least where I live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kase@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wdym by social conventions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I see them acting rudely to restaurant staff and grocery store staff often. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kase@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wdym by social conventions? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I see them acting rudely to restaurant staff and grocery store staff often. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] smotherlove@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I see them acting rudely to restaurant staff and grocery store staff often. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) The pay is about $2 per order, regardless of mileage. Dashers can typically complete 2-3 orders per hour, and pay for their own fuel. The base pay is absolutely not worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They are paid approximately $4 to $6 per hour, and yet some people are still defending the practice and asking customers to pay extra on top of the food and the $10+ delivery charge... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Given their compensation model, all I can say is that if you are not willing to tip, and/or you are not willing to tip ahead of time, you absolutely should not use the service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I don't, specifically for that exact reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago Good. Now, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They are paid approximately $4 to $6 per hour, and yet some people are still defending the practice and asking customers to pay extra on top of the food and the $10+ delivery charge... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Given their compensation model, all I can say is that if you are not willing to tip, and/or you are not willing to tip ahead of time, you absolutely should not use the service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I don't, specifically for that exact reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago Good. Now, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Given their compensation model, all I can say is that if you are not willing to tip, and/or you are not willing to tip ahead of time, you absolutely should not use the service at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I don't, specifically for that exact reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago Good. Now, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And I don't, specifically for that exact reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago Good. Now, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago Good. Now, fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ElleChaise@kbin.social -14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Practically nobody does uber as their main job, they do it because they either want/need extra money, or are struggling to survive at all. I know uberers, none of them would choose the job, but they can't find other work. There's an intentional lack of employment, in my country at least, to keep the workers moving forward; "Do for us, or end up like those people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago If your business requires you to exploit your workers in order to make a profit, then your business doesn't deserve to exist. Making excuses for the exploiters changes nothing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago If your business requires you to exploit your workers in order to make a profit, then your business doesn't deserve to exist. Making excuses for the exploiters changes nothing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works -20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) If you think tipping, a current necessity to ensure proper pay, is not something you should be doing why don't you stop using food services which expect tipping? They won't stop underpaying because you don't tip they'll just blame the worker. The one who can't quit, because there's not alot of work around, and they need food for survival permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) A tip before service is not a tip. It's coercion. Maybe we should consider adding regulation to this entire industry to ensure fair pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Centillionaire@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m all for ending tipping culture. And a tip before service may not be a tip, but as long as this is how it’s set up, it’s the current way we must do things. Just like if you want someone to do some handy work for you, you can go on Craigslist and say “need someone to do ‘x’. Will pay $150” and workers who search on there for jobs will decide whether or not it’s worth it for them to do the job. This job just so happens to be giving you food or a ride. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, and if a company can't pay their workers enough, then workers are not obligated to work there. It is not my responsibility to ensure your workers are paid fairly, regardless of how things are currently set up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cynar@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the UK (and a lot of Europe) tipping is completely optional. We only tip for exceptional service or if we've made the server's life difficult. It's an optional extra for the server. At this point, it's so endemic, in the US, that it likely needs to be fixed from the governmental level, but that doesn't make it something that can't be complained about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Devi@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago American workers rights really scare me. Tipping being allowed to subsidise wages is awful, but so is the safety legislation, and child labour laws. We have issues in the UK obviously, but they're relatively minor in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 years ago* It's only expected because consumers with a similar mentality keep supplying the bandaids to the business. That, and poor local and federal regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) take it up with the state you elected. If they allow you to work for a wage that's not enough to live on, and you don't get a different job - that's a you problem not a customer problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's a poverty trap. Your choice often isn't "get another job" or stay there. It's do this job, and survive another month, or quit and be not be able to afford basic necessities (like rent, or food). Unfortunately, the job can leave you too mentally and/or physically exhausted to properly hunt or reskill for another job. It's a catch 22 situation. Interestingly, COVID actually helped a lot of people on that front. The government income support, and enforced rest let people stop, breathe and think. Many then went on to do exactly what you suggested. Unfortunately there's always more to be drawn into the trap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This doesn't justify flaming customers because we won't pay them extra for doing their job. Does it suck for them? Maybe. Do I work hard for my money and don't want to hand it our to them? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dashers are not employees. There is no employer obligating a Dasher to serve the business's customers. A waitress is an employee. Her employer can demand that she serve a particular customer. She can be fired for refusing to serve you. A Dasher is not an employee. DoorDash cannot fire a Dasher for refusing to accept an order. The Dasher is perfectly free to decline your offer for any reason they want. The only information the Dasher is given is the location of the pickup, the location of the dropoff, and how much you are willing to pay for the trip. From that information, the Dasher has to decide whether to take the offer, or decline. When your offer is so shitty that it would cost more to fulfill it than you're offering the Dasher is absolutely justified in flaming you to a crisp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Noone said dashers has to accept every order regardless of the tip. If they accept it though, they need to stfu. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Personally I tip 20% or more at most Restaurants. I draw the line at tipping before service as well. They aren’t even pretending anymore that it’s about service. That said, I don’t use any Gig economy service; I don’t believe in their business models at all, and part of what you are saying is why. Workers shouldn’t be taking on the burden, companies should. I do tip at some pre-service places that I’m a regular at, but I’ve run into some pretty ridiculous stores asking for tips where nothing warrants it. I try to be fair, but it is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SweetRiot@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) One of the most ridiculous tipping related thing happened a couple of weeks ago. I was ordering some pantry items from an online store that shipped to me (shipping fee was separate, based on how much is purchased). They had a vinegar that I couldn't find locally or online elsewhere, and since they are a small family business, I decided to order a few other things to support them even though all their prices were a bit higher than other places. When checking out, they asked for a 20-25% tip to help support their small family business. That just made me mad. Never going to shop from them again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yes that’s completely ridiculous. You’re helping their small business by shopping there in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) A tip before service is not a tip. It's coercion. Maybe we should consider adding regulation to this entire industry to ensure fair pay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Centillionaire@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m all for ending tipping culture. And a tip before service may not be a tip, but as long as this is how it’s set up, it’s the current way we must do things. Just like if you want someone to do some handy work for you, you can go on Craigslist and say “need someone to do ‘x’. Will pay $150” and workers who search on there for jobs will decide whether or not it’s worth it for them to do the job. This job just so happens to be giving you food or a ride. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, and if a company can't pay their workers enough, then workers are not obligated to work there. It is not my responsibility to ensure your workers are paid fairly, regardless of how things are currently set up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Centillionaire@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m all for ending tipping culture. And a tip before service may not be a tip, but as long as this is how it’s set up, it’s the current way we must do things. Just like if you want someone to do some handy work for you, you can go on Craigslist and say “need someone to do ‘x’. Will pay $150” and workers who search on there for jobs will decide whether or not it’s worth it for them to do the job. This job just so happens to be giving you food or a ride. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, and if a company can't pay their workers enough, then workers are not obligated to work there. It is not my responsibility to ensure your workers are paid fairly, regardless of how things are currently set up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Right, and if a company can't pay their workers enough, then workers are not obligated to work there. It is not my responsibility to ensure your workers are paid fairly, regardless of how things are currently set up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cynar@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the UK (and a lot of Europe) tipping is completely optional. We only tip for exceptional service or if we've made the server's life difficult. It's an optional extra for the server. At this point, it's so endemic, in the US, that it likely needs to be fixed from the governmental level, but that doesn't make it something that can't be complained about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Devi@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago American workers rights really scare me. Tipping being allowed to subsidise wages is awful, but so is the safety legislation, and child labour laws. We have issues in the UK obviously, but they're relatively minor in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Devi@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago American workers rights really scare me. Tipping being allowed to subsidise wages is awful, but so is the safety legislation, and child labour laws. We have issues in the UK obviously, but they're relatively minor in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 years ago* It's only expected because consumers with a similar mentality keep supplying the bandaids to the business. That, and poor local and federal regulation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] driveway@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) take it up with the state you elected. If they allow you to work for a wage that's not enough to live on, and you don't get a different job - that's a you problem not a customer problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's a poverty trap. Your choice often isn't "get another job" or stay there. It's do this job, and survive another month, or quit and be not be able to afford basic necessities (like rent, or food). Unfortunately, the job can leave you too mentally and/or physically exhausted to properly hunt or reskill for another job. It's a catch 22 situation. Interestingly, COVID actually helped a lot of people on that front. The government income support, and enforced rest let people stop, breathe and think. Many then went on to do exactly what you suggested. Unfortunately there's always more to be drawn into the trap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This doesn't justify flaming customers because we won't pay them extra for doing their job. Does it suck for them? Maybe. Do I work hard for my money and don't want to hand it our to them? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dashers are not employees. There is no employer obligating a Dasher to serve the business's customers. A waitress is an employee. Her employer can demand that she serve a particular customer. She can be fired for refusing to serve you. A Dasher is not an employee. DoorDash cannot fire a Dasher for refusing to accept an order. The Dasher is perfectly free to decline your offer for any reason they want. The only information the Dasher is given is the location of the pickup, the location of the dropoff, and how much you are willing to pay for the trip. From that information, the Dasher has to decide whether to take the offer, or decline. When your offer is so shitty that it would cost more to fulfill it than you're offering the Dasher is absolutely justified in flaming you to a crisp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Noone said dashers has to accept every order regardless of the tip. If they accept it though, they need to stfu. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's a poverty trap. Your choice often isn't "get another job" or stay there. It's do this job, and survive another month, or quit and be not be able to afford basic necessities (like rent, or food). Unfortunately, the job can leave you too mentally and/or physically exhausted to properly hunt or reskill for another job. It's a catch 22 situation. Interestingly, COVID actually helped a lot of people on that front. The government income support, and enforced rest let people stop, breathe and think. Many then went on to do exactly what you suggested. Unfortunately there's always more to be drawn into the trap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This doesn't justify flaming customers because we won't pay them extra for doing their job. Does it suck for them? Maybe. Do I work hard for my money and don't want to hand it our to them? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dashers are not employees. There is no employer obligating a Dasher to serve the business's customers. A waitress is an employee. Her employer can demand that she serve a particular customer. She can be fired for refusing to serve you. A Dasher is not an employee. DoorDash cannot fire a Dasher for refusing to accept an order. The Dasher is perfectly free to decline your offer for any reason they want. The only information the Dasher is given is the location of the pickup, the location of the dropoff, and how much you are willing to pay for the trip. From that information, the Dasher has to decide whether to take the offer, or decline. When your offer is so shitty that it would cost more to fulfill it than you're offering the Dasher is absolutely justified in flaming you to a crisp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Noone said dashers has to accept every order regardless of the tip. If they accept it though, they need to stfu. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This doesn't justify flaming customers because we won't pay them extra for doing their job. Does it suck for them? Maybe. Do I work hard for my money and don't want to hand it our to them? Yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dashers are not employees. There is no employer obligating a Dasher to serve the business's customers. A waitress is an employee. Her employer can demand that she serve a particular customer. She can be fired for refusing to serve you. A Dasher is not an employee. DoorDash cannot fire a Dasher for refusing to accept an order. The Dasher is perfectly free to decline your offer for any reason they want. The only information the Dasher is given is the location of the pickup, the location of the dropoff, and how much you are willing to pay for the trip. From that information, the Dasher has to decide whether to take the offer, or decline. When your offer is so shitty that it would cost more to fulfill it than you're offering the Dasher is absolutely justified in flaming you to a crisp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Noone said dashers has to accept every order regardless of the tip. If they accept it though, they need to stfu. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dashers are not employees. There is no employer obligating a Dasher to serve the business's customers. A waitress is an employee. Her employer can demand that she serve a particular customer. She can be fired for refusing to serve you. A Dasher is not an employee. DoorDash cannot fire a Dasher for refusing to accept an order. The Dasher is perfectly free to decline your offer for any reason they want. The only information the Dasher is given is the location of the pickup, the location of the dropoff, and how much you are willing to pay for the trip. From that information, the Dasher has to decide whether to take the offer, or decline. When your offer is so shitty that it would cost more to fulfill it than you're offering the Dasher is absolutely justified in flaming you to a crisp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Noone said dashers has to accept every order regardless of the tip. If they accept it though, they need to stfu. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] driveway@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Noone said dashers has to accept every order regardless of the tip. If they accept it though, they need to stfu. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Personally I tip 20% or more at most Restaurants. I draw the line at tipping before service as well. They aren’t even pretending anymore that it’s about service. That said, I don’t use any Gig economy service; I don’t believe in their business models at all, and part of what you are saying is why. Workers shouldn’t be taking on the burden, companies should. I do tip at some pre-service places that I’m a regular at, but I’ve run into some pretty ridiculous stores asking for tips where nothing warrants it. I try to be fair, but it is getting ridiculous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SweetRiot@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) One of the most ridiculous tipping related thing happened a couple of weeks ago. I was ordering some pantry items from an online store that shipped to me (shipping fee was separate, based on how much is purchased). They had a vinegar that I couldn't find locally or online elsewhere, and since they are a small family business, I decided to order a few other things to support them even though all their prices were a bit higher than other places. When checking out, they asked for a 20-25% tip to help support their small family business. That just made me mad. Never going to shop from them again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yes that’s completely ridiculous. You’re helping their small business by shopping there in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SweetRiot@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) One of the most ridiculous tipping related thing happened a couple of weeks ago. I was ordering some pantry items from an online store that shipped to me (shipping fee was separate, based on how much is purchased). They had a vinegar that I couldn't find locally or online elsewhere, and since they are a small family business, I decided to order a few other things to support them even though all their prices were a bit higher than other places. When checking out, they asked for a 20-25% tip to help support their small family business. That just made me mad. Never going to shop from them again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yes that’s completely ridiculous. You’re helping their small business by shopping there in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yes that’s completely ridiculous. You’re helping their small business by shopping there in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent