▲ 43 ▼ How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7 - The New York Times (www.nytimes.com) submitted 2 years ago by Copernican@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 21 comments fedilink hide all child comments A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women in the attacks on Israel.
[+] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ironically, it's probably in part due to how shit the world is you hope there is a god. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) They didn't say they'd like for life be without a worship-worthy god. They said they're not sure why so many people think that there's a god worth worshipping. By itself, their comment is really just statement of belief, not a statement of preference. I think this is their reasoning for that position: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil For a more detailed explanation of the reasoning: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There was also a comment "if any god at all." I am very familiar with theodicy questioms and euthyphro questions. And it's not a new concept that end times mentality or need for salvation in dire times actually can push some people to religion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) "If any god at all" in that context implies the person has doubt in the existence of any god. This again is not a statement of preference. One can be an atheist and happy with their beliefs or unhappy with them. I just don't see anywhere that the person said they'd like for things to be that way. They could easily be very unhappy at a disbelief in a god for all we know. Said another way: just because I don't believe I'll ever be a millionaire doesn't mean I'd prefer never to be one. EDIT: I want to acknowledge that many people get strength and relief from their faiths and beliefs. And I would like to acknowledge that people's happiness and comfort in a difficult world is a very good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I don't think we are in disagreement. Just misunderstanding what specifically I was responding to. Also, my account or description isn't a justification for this type of belief. But the reality is some people do become more religious in times of struggle. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I now realize I completely misread your original statement. In light of that, my previous replies don't make any sense. I actually agree with what you said, I think I just didn't comprehend it the way it was intended. I think I've read somewhere that strife increases religiosity. I'd say it's a very defensible stance. I think it's also defensible that the religiosity sadly causes strife, too. The world would be better off if certain common religious ideas would be abandoned. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago But there isn’t. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) They didn't say they'd like for life be without a worship-worthy god. They said they're not sure why so many people think that there's a god worth worshipping. By itself, their comment is really just statement of belief, not a statement of preference. I think this is their reasoning for that position: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil For a more detailed explanation of the reasoning: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There was also a comment "if any god at all." I am very familiar with theodicy questioms and euthyphro questions. And it's not a new concept that end times mentality or need for salvation in dire times actually can push some people to religion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) "If any god at all" in that context implies the person has doubt in the existence of any god. This again is not a statement of preference. One can be an atheist and happy with their beliefs or unhappy with them. I just don't see anywhere that the person said they'd like for things to be that way. They could easily be very unhappy at a disbelief in a god for all we know. Said another way: just because I don't believe I'll ever be a millionaire doesn't mean I'd prefer never to be one. EDIT: I want to acknowledge that many people get strength and relief from their faiths and beliefs. And I would like to acknowledge that people's happiness and comfort in a difficult world is a very good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I don't think we are in disagreement. Just misunderstanding what specifically I was responding to. Also, my account or description isn't a justification for this type of belief. But the reality is some people do become more religious in times of struggle. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I now realize I completely misread your original statement. In light of that, my previous replies don't make any sense. I actually agree with what you said, I think I just didn't comprehend it the way it was intended. I think I've read somewhere that strife increases religiosity. I'd say it's a very defensible stance. I think it's also defensible that the religiosity sadly causes strife, too. The world would be better off if certain common religious ideas would be abandoned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) There was also a comment "if any god at all." I am very familiar with theodicy questioms and euthyphro questions. And it's not a new concept that end times mentality or need for salvation in dire times actually can push some people to religion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) "If any god at all" in that context implies the person has doubt in the existence of any god. This again is not a statement of preference. One can be an atheist and happy with their beliefs or unhappy with them. I just don't see anywhere that the person said they'd like for things to be that way. They could easily be very unhappy at a disbelief in a god for all we know. Said another way: just because I don't believe I'll ever be a millionaire doesn't mean I'd prefer never to be one. EDIT: I want to acknowledge that many people get strength and relief from their faiths and beliefs. And I would like to acknowledge that people's happiness and comfort in a difficult world is a very good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I don't think we are in disagreement. Just misunderstanding what specifically I was responding to. Also, my account or description isn't a justification for this type of belief. But the reality is some people do become more religious in times of struggle. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I now realize I completely misread your original statement. In light of that, my previous replies don't make any sense. I actually agree with what you said, I think I just didn't comprehend it the way it was intended. I think I've read somewhere that strife increases religiosity. I'd say it's a very defensible stance. I think it's also defensible that the religiosity sadly causes strife, too. The world would be better off if certain common religious ideas would be abandoned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) "If any god at all" in that context implies the person has doubt in the existence of any god. This again is not a statement of preference. One can be an atheist and happy with their beliefs or unhappy with them. I just don't see anywhere that the person said they'd like for things to be that way. They could easily be very unhappy at a disbelief in a god for all we know. Said another way: just because I don't believe I'll ever be a millionaire doesn't mean I'd prefer never to be one. EDIT: I want to acknowledge that many people get strength and relief from their faiths and beliefs. And I would like to acknowledge that people's happiness and comfort in a difficult world is a very good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I don't think we are in disagreement. Just misunderstanding what specifically I was responding to. Also, my account or description isn't a justification for this type of belief. But the reality is some people do become more religious in times of struggle. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I now realize I completely misread your original statement. In light of that, my previous replies don't make any sense. I actually agree with what you said, I think I just didn't comprehend it the way it was intended. I think I've read somewhere that strife increases religiosity. I'd say it's a very defensible stance. I think it's also defensible that the religiosity sadly causes strife, too. The world would be better off if certain common religious ideas would be abandoned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Copernican@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I don't think we are in disagreement. Just misunderstanding what specifically I was responding to. Also, my account or description isn't a justification for this type of belief. But the reality is some people do become more religious in times of struggle. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I now realize I completely misread your original statement. In light of that, my previous replies don't make any sense. I actually agree with what you said, I think I just didn't comprehend it the way it was intended. I think I've read somewhere that strife increases religiosity. I'd say it's a very defensible stance. I think it's also defensible that the religiosity sadly causes strife, too. The world would be better off if certain common religious ideas would be abandoned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrefersAwkward@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I now realize I completely misread your original statement. In light of that, my previous replies don't make any sense. I actually agree with what you said, I think I just didn't comprehend it the way it was intended. I think I've read somewhere that strife increases religiosity. I'd say it's a very defensible stance. I think it's also defensible that the religiosity sadly causes strife, too. The world would be better off if certain common religious ideas would be abandoned. permalink fedilink source parent