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Chinese Carmaker Overtakes Tesla as World’s Most Popular EV Maker (www.bloomberg.com)
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Chinese Carmaker Overtakes Tesla as World’s Most Popular EV Maker::Elon Musk once scoffed at the notion that BYD could compete with his company. Now, the automaker run by billionaire Wang Chuanfu is poised to be the new No. 1 in electric vehicles.

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[–] 35 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I don't wanna be that guy, but BYD are not only garbage tofu cars, they are also HEAVILY subsidized by the CCP in an effort to dump on the competition.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You can be that guy all you want, those garbage tofu cars are still dominating the market.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    I know they are dominating the market. But I'm explaining why they are. It's NOT because they make superior cars Each car is sold at a loss with the funding/backing of the China government with the sole purpose to dump(kill domestic competition).

    Amazon prime sorta did this on a micro scale. Dump their pricing to kill Barnes and Noble and after they go out of business, they open and replace them with their own stores. But instead of Amazon funding the dump, it's the god damn CCP and our entire auto industry.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Dominating which market though? China is heavily subsidizing these cars like they do with a lot of new tech when they want to undercut non-Chinese companies. I guarantee if any other manufacturer had similar subsidies, the situation would be different.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Are... Are you using your porn alt on this thread perchance?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    No, after porn instances got defederated from other instances, I just picked the instance that hasn't defederated any instances which happens to be the porn instances. I figured it's the least censored. If I wanted to be censored, I would just go back to reddit.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    How are they garbage? For instance BYD makes the safest batteries available. They started making electric cars about the same time as Tesla.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You are either not informed or TikTok has brain washed you. BYD leads the pack for most battery related fires than any other car manufacturer.

    https://www.wapcar.my/news/in-china-640-evs-caught-fire-in-the-first-quarter-of-2022-up-32-percent-45371

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I don't use TikTok at all.

    In EU Tesla has a marketshare equivalent to the rest of EV top 10 combined, I'd guess Tesla also has the most fires of any manufacturer in EU.

    https://evmarketsreports.com/byds-growing-market-share-in-chinas-ev-market/

    In China BYD has 7 of the top 10 most sold models, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 9. Tesla only has 3rd and 8th. So obviously BYD sell way more cars in China than Tesla.

    I'm not sure how the numbers shown 11 for Byd and 5 for Tesla for 2020-2022 together with the others, can in any way add up to 640 in first quarter of 2022??
    The numbers of the article you linked simply don't make any sense. But apart from that, there is no real indication BYD or the other Chinese brands should be more prone to fires than Tesla.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Good. Nobody should use TikTok.

    Best selling doesn't mean they are great cars. Teslas are garbage cars too. The best selling cars again, doesn't mean they are superior cars.

    All cars are prone to fire. But BYD have already had a recall for their batteries. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/fans-take-byd-task-recall-confusion-clouds-chinese-ev-makers-image-2022-06-30/

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/byd-recall-more-tang-dm-095837668.html

    BYD still uses the standard lithium ion batteries. Tesla now uses lithium iron phosphate batteries, if you didn't know it is considered the safest battery.

    I will agree that you and I are experts in this field, but you have to acknowledge that China is intentionally dumping these cars with the intent to kill off competition and gain market share.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because it's been tested to be way safer than other batteries.
    https://evpowerhouse.com.au/blog/byd-blade-battery/

    One of the primary concerns with EVs is battery safety, especially during accidents. Traditional lithium-ion batteries have been prone to overheating and combustion. However, the Blade Battery boasts several safety features, starting with its use of lithium iron phosphate (LFP) for the cathode material. LFP chemistry offers superior stability, even at temperatures as high as 930 °F (500 °C), making it significantly safer than conventional lithium-ion batteries.

    That means it's generally safer in theory because it more chemically stable.

    The Blade Battery has also passed industry-standard tests, including the “Everest” test, where a nail puncture is used to check the battery’s resistance to ignition during an internal short circuit. Unlike other batteries that charred or exploded during this test, the BYD Blade Battery remained cool at 30-60 °C (85-140 °F), demonstrating its exceptional heat management.

    Practical test results confirm this, and damage that will make other batteries burn explosively, merely makes this battery warm.
    But it's not 100% safe, there have been accidents that shouldn't have happened, but did anyway. This is being investigated, and it is still considered significantly safer than competing batteries.

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  • [+] -18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Of course they're garbage, they're Chinese

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