▲ 208 ▼ Can Flow Batteries Finally Beat Lithium? (spectrum.ieee.org) submitted 2 years ago by flango@lemmy.eco.br to c/technology@lemmy.world 80 comments fedilink hide all child comments Amazing stuff.
[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) That doesn't make it a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Ok so let’s drill into it further. Lithium gets mined once and then enters a circular system where batteries can be recycled after 10+ years in service. It doesn’t exist in isolation either. While lithium is mined, its competitors (oil, coal, gas) are too with significantly higher environmental costs. They’re also not reusable. Zinc Bromide flow batteries look like a great idea for static energy storage but if you’re worried about mining, I have bad news. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are lithium batteries getting recycled? Because there are millions of pounds of disposable vapes that just get fuckin yote directly into a landfill. Then they crack and leak PFAS into the ground water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Large car batteries can become second life static energy storage before being completely recycled . This is one of those instances where capitalism helps us out - there’s money to be made in old batteries. Single use vapes are pretty damn disgusting all around TBH. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) So we should continue mining single-use hydrocarbons because disposable vapes exist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bizzle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's definitely not what I said lmfao I said I'm excited for better battery technology. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago But it does mean it isn't any worse as well. Plus lithium can be recycled. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Ok so let’s drill into it further. Lithium gets mined once and then enters a circular system where batteries can be recycled after 10+ years in service. It doesn’t exist in isolation either. While lithium is mined, its competitors (oil, coal, gas) are too with significantly higher environmental costs. They’re also not reusable. Zinc Bromide flow batteries look like a great idea for static energy storage but if you’re worried about mining, I have bad news. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are lithium batteries getting recycled? Because there are millions of pounds of disposable vapes that just get fuckin yote directly into a landfill. Then they crack and leak PFAS into the ground water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Large car batteries can become second life static energy storage before being completely recycled . This is one of those instances where capitalism helps us out - there’s money to be made in old batteries. Single use vapes are pretty damn disgusting all around TBH. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) So we should continue mining single-use hydrocarbons because disposable vapes exist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bizzle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's definitely not what I said lmfao I said I'm excited for better battery technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are lithium batteries getting recycled? Because there are millions of pounds of disposable vapes that just get fuckin yote directly into a landfill. Then they crack and leak PFAS into the ground water. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Large car batteries can become second life static energy storage before being completely recycled . This is one of those instances where capitalism helps us out - there’s money to be made in old batteries. Single use vapes are pretty damn disgusting all around TBH. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) So we should continue mining single-use hydrocarbons because disposable vapes exist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bizzle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's definitely not what I said lmfao I said I'm excited for better battery technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 1 point 2 years ago Large car batteries can become second life static energy storage before being completely recycled . This is one of those instances where capitalism helps us out - there’s money to be made in old batteries. Single use vapes are pretty damn disgusting all around TBH. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) So we should continue mining single-use hydrocarbons because disposable vapes exist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bizzle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's definitely not what I said lmfao I said I'm excited for better battery technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's definitely not what I said lmfao I said I'm excited for better battery technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago But it does mean it isn't any worse as well. Plus lithium can be recycled. permalink fedilink source parent