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Trans Teen Hatches Nefarious Plot To Undergo Years Of Medical Treatments And Counseling To Win At Swimming (www.theonion.com)
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[–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You are using a source that literally says "we don't have enough information to come to a conclusion, but here's what we do have" and presenting it as fact because you agree with it. I would call your understanding quite unreliable.

What we do have enough information on is the differences between the male and female body. Studied for centuries. There are significant differences between the two that lend themselves to physical advantages. Pretending biological males are not at a physical advantage over females is absurd and not based in any kind of science or reality.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Except science and reality as it exists today. I literally stated up front that there was little evidence. That doesn't change what the existing evidence shows.

    Available evidence indicates trans women who have undergone testosterone suppression have no clear biological advantages over cis women in elite sport. • The higher levels of red blood cell count experienced by cis men is removed within the first four months of testosterone suppression; • There is no basis for athletic advantage conferred by bone size or density, other than advantages achieved through height. Elite athletes tend to have higher than average height across genders, and above-average height is not currently classified as an athletic advantage requiring regulation; • On average, trans women who are pre-testosterone suppression still have lower Lean Body Mass (LBM), Cross Section Area (CSA), and strength than cis males. This indicates that the performance benefit experienced by these individuals cannot be generalized by examining cis male athletes; • Non-athletic trans women experience significant reduction in LBM, CSA, and strength loss within 12 months of hormonal suppression. It is important to note that this 12-month threshold is arbitrarily defined, and no significant studies examine the rate of LBM, CSA or strength reduction over time; • When adjusting for height and fat mass, LBM, CSA, and strength after 12 months of testosterone suppression, trans women still retained statistically higher levels than sedentary cis women. However, this difference is well within the normal distribution of LBM, CSA, and strength for cis women (Jassen et al., 2000); • LBM, CSA, and strength loss continues for trans women after the 12month initial testosterone suppression; • The limited available evidence examining the effect of testosterone suppression as it directly affects trans women’s athletic performance showed no athletic advantage exists after one year of testosterone suppression (Harper, 2015; Roberts et al., 2020; Harper, 2020); • Post gonad removal, many trans women experience testosterone levels far below that of pre-menopausal cis women. 5

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The issue that I think is highlighted by the article is that it presupposes that the transathlete is undergoing hormone suppression. That isn't a prerequisite to participate in most sports, and to require it would require disclosing more detailed medical information than might be prudent.

    So, while the study is small, it is also not representative of many instances of trans athleticism. A transwoman not on HRT is just as much a woman as one who's been on it for years, according to advocates, and should be equally eligible to participate in women's sports. If that belief isn't held, you'll be labeled a transphobe and bigot as well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're a bigot because of your reactionary response to a situation that doesn't exist. I can make up a scenario in my head and get upset about it, but that doesn't mean that it's happening. And you've been doing it all over this thread and projecting that anger onto trans people.

    A transwoman not on HRT is just as much a woman as one who's been on it for years, according to advocates

    You're also transphobic for implying that trans women not taking HRT are less women than those that do. They're just women, all of them.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I just said exactly the opposite. Fuck dude, get it together.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    “we don’t have enough information to come to a conclusion, but here’s what we do have” and presenting it as fact

    They literally prefaced their post with that exact statement. There was no misrepresentation.

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