โฒ 25 โผ How many calories per day are prisoners given to eat? (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca 36 comments fedilink hide all child comments Do fat criminals lose weight? Do skinny criminals gain weight?
[โ] morphballganon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) A criminal is someone who has committed a crime. Using criminal as a blanket term to refer to all inmates assumes that 100% of them are guilty, which is demonstrably false. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] brian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) This is a bit of chicken and egg, but if you've committed a crime, you are a criminal. If you've been accused of a crime, you are not a criminal, until you are proven to be guilty. If youve been convicted, you've been found guilty. If you've been found guilty, that means you've committed a crime, and are a criminal. In order to be an inmate (barring those await trials in jails) you must be a criminal. Your concern, I think, is stemmed from the unfortunate stigma that follows criminals long after their rehabilitation/incarceration, which is a valid stance. However, if someone is currently in a prison, as an inmate, they must be a criminal in the eyes of the law. That doesn't mean they are criminals from then until the end of time, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] morphballganon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago If you've been found guilty, that means you've committed a crime, and are a criminal This is a jump in reasoning, because you are declaring the justice system to be perfect. Wrongful convictions occur. Have you never heard of people being released after decades of incarceration, after it was determined they were innocent? permalink fedilink source parent [โ] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago In order to be an inmate (barring those await trials in jails) you must be a criminal. I like how you impose a generalization and include its counterexample. That's like saying "all left handers are dumb except the smart ones". permalink fedilink source parent [โ] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your logic train derailed at "if you were found guilty, you commited the crime" have you not watched how many people they release with DNA evidence overturn or witness recanting, and say Oops, guess it wasn't you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] brian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you were found guilty by the courts, then yes in the eyes of the courts you have a committed the crime. If and when there are appeals, new evidence, or overturned verdicts, then that evaluation would change. The whole point ends up being that criminal as a word has a specific definition, and those who have been convicted of crimes fit that definition. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] brian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) This is a bit of chicken and egg, but if you've committed a crime, you are a criminal. If you've been accused of a crime, you are not a criminal, until you are proven to be guilty. If youve been convicted, you've been found guilty. If you've been found guilty, that means you've committed a crime, and are a criminal. In order to be an inmate (barring those await trials in jails) you must be a criminal. Your concern, I think, is stemmed from the unfortunate stigma that follows criminals long after their rehabilitation/incarceration, which is a valid stance. However, if someone is currently in a prison, as an inmate, they must be a criminal in the eyes of the law. That doesn't mean they are criminals from then until the end of time, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] morphballganon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago If you've been found guilty, that means you've committed a crime, and are a criminal This is a jump in reasoning, because you are declaring the justice system to be perfect. Wrongful convictions occur. Have you never heard of people being released after decades of incarceration, after it was determined they were innocent? permalink fedilink source parent [โ] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago In order to be an inmate (barring those await trials in jails) you must be a criminal. I like how you impose a generalization and include its counterexample. That's like saying "all left handers are dumb except the smart ones". permalink fedilink source parent [โ] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your logic train derailed at "if you were found guilty, you commited the crime" have you not watched how many people they release with DNA evidence overturn or witness recanting, and say Oops, guess it wasn't you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] brian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you were found guilty by the courts, then yes in the eyes of the courts you have a committed the crime. If and when there are appeals, new evidence, or overturned verdicts, then that evaluation would change. The whole point ends up being that criminal as a word has a specific definition, and those who have been convicted of crimes fit that definition. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] morphballganon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago If you've been found guilty, that means you've committed a crime, and are a criminal This is a jump in reasoning, because you are declaring the justice system to be perfect. Wrongful convictions occur. Have you never heard of people being released after decades of incarceration, after it was determined they were innocent? permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago In order to be an inmate (barring those await trials in jails) you must be a criminal. I like how you impose a generalization and include its counterexample. That's like saying "all left handers are dumb except the smart ones". permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your logic train derailed at "if you were found guilty, you commited the crime" have you not watched how many people they release with DNA evidence overturn or witness recanting, and say Oops, guess it wasn't you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] brian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you were found guilty by the courts, then yes in the eyes of the courts you have a committed the crime. If and when there are appeals, new evidence, or overturned verdicts, then that evaluation would change. The whole point ends up being that criminal as a word has a specific definition, and those who have been convicted of crimes fit that definition. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] brian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you were found guilty by the courts, then yes in the eyes of the courts you have a committed the crime. If and when there are appeals, new evidence, or overturned verdicts, then that evaluation would change. The whole point ends up being that criminal as a word has a specific definition, and those who have been convicted of crimes fit that definition. permalink fedilink source parent