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It's quiet - too quiet. (startrek.website)
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[–] 34 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Are there marks left behind on the floor from the fire and dead animal? Yeah? So, you're telling me this 30x30 foot stone room with a flame trap has never been set off before? My familiar is the first creature to die in there? Whoever built it never tested it? Because burn marks on surfaces would have been something special about the room... Now, give me back my familiar and DM better.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A gelatinous cube rotates through the area every 8 hours to hoover up any leftover char

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    And it doesn't set off the trap when it comes through, because why?

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  • [–] 78 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It has the employee keycard for this level of the dungeon

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Fire itselt doesn't necessarily leave marks on the stone floor unless it's long and hot enough to melt stone, that's just byproducts of stuff not burning properly.

    The testing familiar -just like yours- didn't leave any traces in all the trial runs, it just vanished to its realm of origin.

    Now, continue playing your class instead of cosplaying as a rules lawyer.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's uhhh a propane flame so there isn't even any smoke

    Also, the whole dungeon has been covered in a layer of grime since you walked in. You aren't gonna notice a bit of residual soot.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Take a lighter to a rock. Fires leave char. There are very few combustion systems with a pure enough burn to avoid it.

    That's not rules lawyering at all. If a player asks why they didn't spot that the easy answer is they didn't realize it was char.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fire doesn't char rock. It leaves soot. Soot can be cleaned off

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Synonyms.

    And sure, that's another explanation agm could use, I wasn't being comprehensive or I'd be here forever.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Char is burnt bits of the object that's being broiled.

    Soot is the incomplete product of comustion of the fuel.

    They're not synonyms, not anymore than "waves" and "tides" are. And if you have a high enough oxygen environment, propane won't leave any soot.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    Did you understand the communication being made? Clearly so. Looks like I used adequate wording.

    Getting high oxygen isn't enough, you need propane purity and oxidizer purity (the not air inert gas and oxygen mix) or you get unburnt products. You also need perfect mixing, and essentially an adiabatic chamber. There is no combustion chamber on this earth outside of some absurd combustion lab that doesn't have soot buildup.

    Not things you'd find in a dusty standard ass DND dungeon. But please continue bending over backwards to justify why you couldn't just day "you didn't think anything of it"

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago

    The room is pitch black, you're relying on dark vision, and you just failed your perception check. I can definitely see this happening outside of bad DM'ing, and I think the PC being sus of a blank room in an otherwise dangerous dungeon could also be in character.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You think they wouldnt clean the trap after every activation? Leaving scorch marks wouldnt make for a very good trap would it?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ever tried to clean a pizza stone? Pretty sure that magical fire is supposed to be hotter than the 400 something degrees my oven gets to in using one.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I think you underestimate how good cleaning spells are. You think some wizard is going to clean that pizza stone with their hands like some sort of peasant? They didn't go to Hogwarts to learn some substandard spell that requires you to preclean like some bargain bin dish soap would.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Punishing reckless players doesnt hurt sometimes

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ignoring hints is recklessness. The only hint that there is anything off about the room is that the DM says that there isnt anything special about it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "You don't see anything wrong with the room" is very different from "there is nothing wrong with the room", too.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Describing things well, putting some thought into world building and just thinking through responses to player questions doesn't hurt either.

    Also, exactly which part of questioning the DM twice and sending a familiar in first was reckless in this scenario?

    And don't even tell me 'maybe they scrubbed the room after each time.' Have you ever seen a pizza stone?

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