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[–] USAONE@lemmy.world [S] 93 points 2 years ago (4 children) I really dislike vaccinations being a political issue. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well, maybe we should stop teaching people that everyone's opinions are valid. That, and that there are people out there who want you to be uninformed/misinformed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't understand how not stopping people from easily preventing deadly diseases helps Republicans. It's their people getting the diseases and dying. I really don't get them sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Reality is a threat to conservatives. Denying reality, in any form, weakens the arguments against conservativism. Claiming untruths is a quick and dirty way to determining who is in and who is out. Anyone out is the enemy, and therefore evil. Anything they do, say, or believe is evil because they did, said, or believed it. Anyone who is in is good. Anything they do, say, or believe is good because they did, said, or believed it. Some may die of preventable diseases, but that's a sacrifice the conservative doesn't even acknowledge because fuck anyone who isn't me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a loss in terms of votes. You aren't going to win elections if the people who vote for you are dying out because of what you are telling them to avoid doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Short term vs long term gain permalink fedilink source parent [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're being nice, you'd say they're contrarians. If you're being not nice, you'd say they all suffer from oppositional-defiance disorder from decades of right-wing propaganda rotting their brains. Democrats say vaccines are good, therefore they must really be tools of the satanic child molesting one world government globalist cabal to steal our vital fluids and turn all of us into gay transgendered purple-haired soy-latte-drinking they/thems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Sad and bonkers how all of this is actually completely true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Back in 1980, Isaac Asimov wrote: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’" It is as true today as it was then. The only difference is that since the '80s, the Republican party has weaponized this cult and is using it to undermine our democratic institutions and they have been astonishingly successful of late. Their goal isn't to get their base to get sick and die. The goal is to convince their base that the intellectual elite, the people trying to give them healthcare and lift them out of poverty, are really their enemy. If the GOP base starts respecting intellectualism and, God forbid, educating themselves, then the GOP would be doomed. An educated base would eventually notice that the GOP is curtailing their rights, ruining their environment, shortening their lives, and all but enslaving them and their children. If a small fraction of the base should die and fall off the voter rolls, then that is a sacrifice the GOP is willing to make. Personally, I had always assumed that such wilful ignorance would result in shorter lifespans for those cultists, and that a sort of unnatural selection would, if not end, at east manage the problem in the long run. But Trump and the pandemic have shown me that the cultists are able to out-breed even the most deadly effects of their ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] chitak166@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (1 child) If experts were always right, you'd have a point. But history has shown that experts will routinely abuse their position of authority to exploit those who do not know any better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) All the more reason to teach people more reliable ways of evaluating claims and information. Then, when an expert—or more likely, a politician—spreads bullshit, people will be better equipped to detect it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago Definitely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Politics is the side effect. Blame the media for all of it. This all started when the media decided they could increase ad revenue by prioritizing antivax grifters who lie about everything to sell their snake oil. If the media stopped promoting grifters, they would get less ad revenue, but humanity would be much better off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] freeindv@monyet.cc -2 points 2 years ago That's what happens when you take a shot that doesn't prevent the spread and force it on people, like what was done to us over covid. It's up to those who did wrong to rebuild the trust they abused permalink fedilink source parent [+] chakan2@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'm kind of OK with it..Darwin is about to step in and fix our political problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) I really wish people would stop thinking like this, because it isn't fucking true. Even as a joke, it's not funny. The people suffering and dying are not the anti-vax dipshits. It's the infants, the sickly, the elderly who are suffering and dying. It's the random mother of five who happens to catch a particularly virulent strain of something that mutated in the lungs of a nutjob relative. Anti-vaxxers simply don't die quickly or frequently enough to wipe themselves out, and most will claim their survival as evidence that they were right because they are, all of them, without exception, the stupidest and most dangerous humans to ever live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago the stupidest and most dangerous humans to ever live... so far permalink fedilink source parent [–] LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago If an antivaxxer spreads covid to my immunocompromised friend, is Darwin gonna know to spare my friend or are they going to be an unfortunate statistic? permalink fedilink source parent [–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Ah yes, the eugenicists, the other wilfully ignorant evil the vaccine "debate" brings out.. You are literally no better than anti-vaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I don’t know, just letting the stupid die doesn’t sound all that bad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] uberkalden@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? They endanger us all and he just doesn't give a shit what happens to them. Doesn't really seem equivalent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chakan2@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago I shrug...it's clear the Democrats aren't going to scare us with strongly worded letters rebuking the Rs thoughts and prayers. We are doomed...so maybe nature will finally step in and fix all this. We are due for a population correction anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well, maybe we should stop teaching people that everyone's opinions are valid. That, and that there are people out there who want you to be uninformed/misinformed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't understand how not stopping people from easily preventing deadly diseases helps Republicans. It's their people getting the diseases and dying. I really don't get them sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Reality is a threat to conservatives. Denying reality, in any form, weakens the arguments against conservativism. Claiming untruths is a quick and dirty way to determining who is in and who is out. Anyone out is the enemy, and therefore evil. Anything they do, say, or believe is evil because they did, said, or believed it. Anyone who is in is good. Anything they do, say, or believe is good because they did, said, or believed it. Some may die of preventable diseases, but that's a sacrifice the conservative doesn't even acknowledge because fuck anyone who isn't me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a loss in terms of votes. You aren't going to win elections if the people who vote for you are dying out because of what you are telling them to avoid doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Short term vs long term gain permalink fedilink source parent [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're being nice, you'd say they're contrarians. If you're being not nice, you'd say they all suffer from oppositional-defiance disorder from decades of right-wing propaganda rotting their brains. Democrats say vaccines are good, therefore they must really be tools of the satanic child molesting one world government globalist cabal to steal our vital fluids and turn all of us into gay transgendered purple-haired soy-latte-drinking they/thems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Sad and bonkers how all of this is actually completely true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Back in 1980, Isaac Asimov wrote: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’" It is as true today as it was then. The only difference is that since the '80s, the Republican party has weaponized this cult and is using it to undermine our democratic institutions and they have been astonishingly successful of late. Their goal isn't to get their base to get sick and die. The goal is to convince their base that the intellectual elite, the people trying to give them healthcare and lift them out of poverty, are really their enemy. If the GOP base starts respecting intellectualism and, God forbid, educating themselves, then the GOP would be doomed. An educated base would eventually notice that the GOP is curtailing their rights, ruining their environment, shortening their lives, and all but enslaving them and their children. If a small fraction of the base should die and fall off the voter rolls, then that is a sacrifice the GOP is willing to make. Personally, I had always assumed that such wilful ignorance would result in shorter lifespans for those cultists, and that a sort of unnatural selection would, if not end, at east manage the problem in the long run. But Trump and the pandemic have shown me that the cultists are able to out-breed even the most deadly effects of their ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] chitak166@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (1 child) If experts were always right, you'd have a point. But history has shown that experts will routinely abuse their position of authority to exploit those who do not know any better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) All the more reason to teach people more reliable ways of evaluating claims and information. Then, when an expert—or more likely, a politician—spreads bullshit, people will be better equipped to detect it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago Definitely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't understand how not stopping people from easily preventing deadly diseases helps Republicans. It's their people getting the diseases and dying. I really don't get them sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Reality is a threat to conservatives. Denying reality, in any form, weakens the arguments against conservativism. Claiming untruths is a quick and dirty way to determining who is in and who is out. Anyone out is the enemy, and therefore evil. Anything they do, say, or believe is evil because they did, said, or believed it. Anyone who is in is good. Anything they do, say, or believe is good because they did, said, or believed it. Some may die of preventable diseases, but that's a sacrifice the conservative doesn't even acknowledge because fuck anyone who isn't me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a loss in terms of votes. You aren't going to win elections if the people who vote for you are dying out because of what you are telling them to avoid doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Short term vs long term gain permalink fedilink source parent [–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're being nice, you'd say they're contrarians. If you're being not nice, you'd say they all suffer from oppositional-defiance disorder from decades of right-wing propaganda rotting their brains. Democrats say vaccines are good, therefore they must really be tools of the satanic child molesting one world government globalist cabal to steal our vital fluids and turn all of us into gay transgendered purple-haired soy-latte-drinking they/thems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Sad and bonkers how all of this is actually completely true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Back in 1980, Isaac Asimov wrote: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’" It is as true today as it was then. The only difference is that since the '80s, the Republican party has weaponized this cult and is using it to undermine our democratic institutions and they have been astonishingly successful of late. Their goal isn't to get their base to get sick and die. The goal is to convince their base that the intellectual elite, the people trying to give them healthcare and lift them out of poverty, are really their enemy. If the GOP base starts respecting intellectualism and, God forbid, educating themselves, then the GOP would be doomed. An educated base would eventually notice that the GOP is curtailing their rights, ruining their environment, shortening their lives, and all but enslaving them and their children. If a small fraction of the base should die and fall off the voter rolls, then that is a sacrifice the GOP is willing to make. Personally, I had always assumed that such wilful ignorance would result in shorter lifespans for those cultists, and that a sort of unnatural selection would, if not end, at east manage the problem in the long run. But Trump and the pandemic have shown me that the cultists are able to out-breed even the most deadly effects of their ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Reality is a threat to conservatives. Denying reality, in any form, weakens the arguments against conservativism. Claiming untruths is a quick and dirty way to determining who is in and who is out. Anyone out is the enemy, and therefore evil. Anything they do, say, or believe is evil because they did, said, or believed it. Anyone who is in is good. Anything they do, say, or believe is good because they did, said, or believed it. Some may die of preventable diseases, but that's a sacrifice the conservative doesn't even acknowledge because fuck anyone who isn't me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a loss in terms of votes. You aren't going to win elections if the people who vote for you are dying out because of what you are telling them to avoid doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Short term vs long term gain permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a loss in terms of votes. You aren't going to win elections if the people who vote for you are dying out because of what you are telling them to avoid doing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Short term vs long term gain permalink fedilink source parent
[–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago Short term vs long term gain permalink fedilink source parent
[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're being nice, you'd say they're contrarians. If you're being not nice, you'd say they all suffer from oppositional-defiance disorder from decades of right-wing propaganda rotting their brains. Democrats say vaccines are good, therefore they must really be tools of the satanic child molesting one world government globalist cabal to steal our vital fluids and turn all of us into gay transgendered purple-haired soy-latte-drinking they/thems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Sad and bonkers how all of this is actually completely true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Sad and bonkers how all of this is actually completely true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Back in 1980, Isaac Asimov wrote: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’" It is as true today as it was then. The only difference is that since the '80s, the Republican party has weaponized this cult and is using it to undermine our democratic institutions and they have been astonishingly successful of late. Their goal isn't to get their base to get sick and die. The goal is to convince their base that the intellectual elite, the people trying to give them healthcare and lift them out of poverty, are really their enemy. If the GOP base starts respecting intellectualism and, God forbid, educating themselves, then the GOP would be doomed. An educated base would eventually notice that the GOP is curtailing their rights, ruining their environment, shortening their lives, and all but enslaving them and their children. If a small fraction of the base should die and fall off the voter rolls, then that is a sacrifice the GOP is willing to make. Personally, I had always assumed that such wilful ignorance would result in shorter lifespans for those cultists, and that a sort of unnatural selection would, if not end, at east manage the problem in the long run. But Trump and the pandemic have shown me that the cultists are able to out-breed even the most deadly effects of their ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] chitak166@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (1 child) If experts were always right, you'd have a point. But history has shown that experts will routinely abuse their position of authority to exploit those who do not know any better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) All the more reason to teach people more reliable ways of evaluating claims and information. Then, when an expert—or more likely, a politician—spreads bullshit, people will be better equipped to detect it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago Definitely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) All the more reason to teach people more reliable ways of evaluating claims and information. Then, when an expert—or more likely, a politician—spreads bullshit, people will be better equipped to detect it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago Definitely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Politics is the side effect. Blame the media for all of it. This all started when the media decided they could increase ad revenue by prioritizing antivax grifters who lie about everything to sell their snake oil. If the media stopped promoting grifters, they would get less ad revenue, but humanity would be much better off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] freeindv@monyet.cc -2 points 2 years ago That's what happens when you take a shot that doesn't prevent the spread and force it on people, like what was done to us over covid. It's up to those who did wrong to rebuild the trust they abused permalink fedilink source parent
[+] chakan2@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'm kind of OK with it..Darwin is about to step in and fix our political problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) I really wish people would stop thinking like this, because it isn't fucking true. Even as a joke, it's not funny. The people suffering and dying are not the anti-vax dipshits. It's the infants, the sickly, the elderly who are suffering and dying. It's the random mother of five who happens to catch a particularly virulent strain of something that mutated in the lungs of a nutjob relative. Anti-vaxxers simply don't die quickly or frequently enough to wipe themselves out, and most will claim their survival as evidence that they were right because they are, all of them, without exception, the stupidest and most dangerous humans to ever live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago the stupidest and most dangerous humans to ever live... so far permalink fedilink source parent [–] LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago If an antivaxxer spreads covid to my immunocompromised friend, is Darwin gonna know to spare my friend or are they going to be an unfortunate statistic? permalink fedilink source parent [–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Ah yes, the eugenicists, the other wilfully ignorant evil the vaccine "debate" brings out.. You are literally no better than anti-vaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I don’t know, just letting the stupid die doesn’t sound all that bad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] uberkalden@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? They endanger us all and he just doesn't give a shit what happens to them. Doesn't really seem equivalent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chakan2@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago I shrug...it's clear the Democrats aren't going to scare us with strongly worded letters rebuking the Rs thoughts and prayers. We are doomed...so maybe nature will finally step in and fix all this. We are due for a population correction anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) I really wish people would stop thinking like this, because it isn't fucking true. Even as a joke, it's not funny. The people suffering and dying are not the anti-vax dipshits. It's the infants, the sickly, the elderly who are suffering and dying. It's the random mother of five who happens to catch a particularly virulent strain of something that mutated in the lungs of a nutjob relative. Anti-vaxxers simply don't die quickly or frequently enough to wipe themselves out, and most will claim their survival as evidence that they were right because they are, all of them, without exception, the stupidest and most dangerous humans to ever live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago the stupidest and most dangerous humans to ever live... so far permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago the stupidest and most dangerous humans to ever live... so far permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago If an antivaxxer spreads covid to my immunocompromised friend, is Darwin gonna know to spare my friend or are they going to be an unfortunate statistic? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Ah yes, the eugenicists, the other wilfully ignorant evil the vaccine "debate" brings out.. You are literally no better than anti-vaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I don’t know, just letting the stupid die doesn’t sound all that bad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] uberkalden@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? They endanger us all and he just doesn't give a shit what happens to them. Doesn't really seem equivalent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chakan2@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago I shrug...it's clear the Democrats aren't going to scare us with strongly worded letters rebuking the Rs thoughts and prayers. We are doomed...so maybe nature will finally step in and fix all this. We are due for a population correction anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I don’t know, just letting the stupid die doesn’t sound all that bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uberkalden@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Really? They endanger us all and he just doesn't give a shit what happens to them. Doesn't really seem equivalent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chakan2@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago I shrug...it's clear the Democrats aren't going to scare us with strongly worded letters rebuking the Rs thoughts and prayers. We are doomed...so maybe nature will finally step in and fix all this. We are due for a population correction anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chakan2@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago I shrug...it's clear the Democrats aren't going to scare us with strongly worded letters rebuking the Rs thoughts and prayers. We are doomed...so maybe nature will finally step in and fix all this. We are due for a population correction anyway. permalink fedilink source parent