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[+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (3 children) Want an honest answer? Onboard are >=2 bits of code. At least one of those is a specific system trained to recognize a "wake word". This specific system (ostensibly) doesn't send anything to an outside party. Its entire job is to recognize one wake phrase: Alexa, Ok Google, or Siri, and then if that wake phrase is used it responds and tells the second system to listen. As you can imagine, this is a pretty easy job to get right 80% of the time. So that can be put on a chip. So then it does its job, and it's the second system that sends everything to an internet service for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] diffcalculus@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago I didn't ask for honesty! permalink fedilink source parent [–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* I'd love to have this properly audited sometime. I'd slap like to think that we're generally protected from big companies doing unethical and unjust things to us, by law, ... but nah (That's not to say I don't believe this explanation; the second half of my comment was just an addendum.) permalink fedilink source parent [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) why is this downvoted? you cant prove its not, if its proprietry. and since the companies listening just happen to profit off data collection (and break/bend the law often), its safe to assume they do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because you can prove it by monitoring network requests with a packet sniffer, which has been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. I haven’t seen this myself but it wouldn’t really surprise me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a standard tactic for people who do networking things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah. I work in that general field but not at the user level like that so never got into packet sniffing. Now’s as good a time as ever eh? permalink fedilink source parent [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] joe@lemmy.knocknet.net 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) There are actually 2 processors in the devices. 1 that constantly listens for a keyword, Al la, Alexa, Hey Google. When it hears it it quickly spins up another "computer" that then sends your voice back and forth to the servers for processing and response. It's part of the reason that the listen word isn't easily customized. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 years ago It still stores the name triggers, even incorrect matches (last I checked, which was years back). The recordings can be played back from account history. The one time I looked at some random, it was mostly snippets of my conversations with friends. Creepy. permalink fedilink source parent [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) On top of what the other person said, they are always listening. Amazon has provided audio from Alexa for the police permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (3 children) Want an honest answer? Onboard are >=2 bits of code. At least one of those is a specific system trained to recognize a "wake word". This specific system (ostensibly) doesn't send anything to an outside party. Its entire job is to recognize one wake phrase: Alexa, Ok Google, or Siri, and then if that wake phrase is used it responds and tells the second system to listen. As you can imagine, this is a pretty easy job to get right 80% of the time. So that can be put on a chip. So then it does its job, and it's the second system that sends everything to an internet service for whatever reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] diffcalculus@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago I didn't ask for honesty! permalink fedilink source parent [–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* I'd love to have this properly audited sometime. I'd slap like to think that we're generally protected from big companies doing unethical and unjust things to us, by law, ... but nah (That's not to say I don't believe this explanation; the second half of my comment was just an addendum.) permalink fedilink source parent [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) why is this downvoted? you cant prove its not, if its proprietry. and since the companies listening just happen to profit off data collection (and break/bend the law often), its safe to assume they do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because you can prove it by monitoring network requests with a packet sniffer, which has been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. I haven’t seen this myself but it wouldn’t really surprise me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a standard tactic for people who do networking things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah. I work in that general field but not at the user level like that so never got into packet sniffing. Now’s as good a time as ever eh? permalink fedilink source parent [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] diffcalculus@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago I didn't ask for honesty! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* I'd love to have this properly audited sometime. I'd slap like to think that we're generally protected from big companies doing unethical and unjust things to us, by law, ... but nah (That's not to say I don't believe this explanation; the second half of my comment was just an addendum.) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) why is this downvoted? you cant prove its not, if its proprietry. and since the companies listening just happen to profit off data collection (and break/bend the law often), its safe to assume they do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because you can prove it by monitoring network requests with a packet sniffer, which has been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. I haven’t seen this myself but it wouldn’t really surprise me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a standard tactic for people who do networking things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah. I work in that general field but not at the user level like that so never got into packet sniffing. Now’s as good a time as ever eh? permalink fedilink source parent [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) why is this downvoted? you cant prove its not, if its proprietry. and since the companies listening just happen to profit off data collection (and break/bend the law often), its safe to assume they do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because you can prove it by monitoring network requests with a packet sniffer, which has been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. I haven’t seen this myself but it wouldn’t really surprise me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a standard tactic for people who do networking things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah. I work in that general field but not at the user level like that so never got into packet sniffing. Now’s as good a time as ever eh? permalink fedilink source parent [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because you can prove it by monitoring network requests with a packet sniffer, which has been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. I haven’t seen this myself but it wouldn’t really surprise me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a standard tactic for people who do networking things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah. I work in that general field but not at the user level like that so never got into packet sniffing. Now’s as good a time as ever eh? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Interesting. I haven’t seen this myself but it wouldn’t really surprise me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a standard tactic for people who do networking things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah. I work in that general field but not at the user level like that so never got into packet sniffing. Now’s as good a time as ever eh? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It's a standard tactic for people who do networking things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah. I work in that general field but not at the user level like that so never got into packet sniffing. Now’s as good a time as ever eh? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yeah. I work in that general field but not at the user level like that so never got into packet sniffing. Now’s as good a time as ever eh? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joe@lemmy.knocknet.net 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) There are actually 2 processors in the devices. 1 that constantly listens for a keyword, Al la, Alexa, Hey Google. When it hears it it quickly spins up another "computer" that then sends your voice back and forth to the servers for processing and response. It's part of the reason that the listen word isn't easily customized. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 years ago It still stores the name triggers, even incorrect matches (last I checked, which was years back). The recordings can be played back from account history. The one time I looked at some random, it was mostly snippets of my conversations with friends. Creepy. permalink fedilink source parent [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 years ago It still stores the name triggers, even incorrect matches (last I checked, which was years back). The recordings can be played back from account history. The one time I looked at some random, it was mostly snippets of my conversations with friends. Creepy. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) On top of what the other person said, they are always listening. Amazon has provided audio from Alexa for the police permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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