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The polls keep getting worse for Biden (www.politico.com)
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[–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Have you paid attention to popular opinion of Israel these past 3 months? Since, you know, they started a genocide?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Have you paid attention to popular opinion of Israel these past 3 months? Since, you know, they started a genocide?

    Alright, first, this isn't even close to the start. This is just another flare-up of the ongoing genocide that's been apparent to anyone who pays attention to foreign affairs (ie not most Americans).

    Second, US popular opinion is nowhere near turned against Israel yet. Even amongst Democrats it's an even split.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah there certainly are a lot of people with strong opinions about Israel and Palestine that haven't so much as taken the time to open the Wikipedia page about the conflict. TikTok said it's cool to be pro Palestine so that's good enough for quite a few people.

    I'm certainly not supporting Israel's actions currently but man how many people so quickly forgot what hamas did only a few weeks ago. It's like it never happened.

    I think you can be anti genocide and anti carpet bombing while also believing strongly that hamas doesn't need to exist anymore and it's members are terrorists that deserve the same treatment that Isis and Al qaeda received.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hamas leadership isn't in Gaza. How is attacking civilians in Gaza going to wipe out Hamas?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Don't interpret me as saying I'm supporting what they are doing currently. I said explicitly I don't. But after an attack like that I'd fully support military action in the area. You're a fucking fool if you think any modern nation would ever accept that and just sit by without responding.

    The problem is in what the response is. Is it a prolonged occupation going building by building? Worked out great for the US. Israel and the US should definitely set about the framework of taking out anyone claiming to be hamas leadership outside of the country. Anyone who had a hand in that attack.

    Again the response isn't indescriminate carpet bombing, but there must be a response.

    Now you tell me what it should be. It's super easy to sit in your tower and pretend like you have all the answers when we both know you're likely full of shit.

    I at least can admit what reality is here. As far as I'm concerned anything else is just people spewing bullshit when they have no idea what they're talking about.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Now you tell me what it should be.

    It should have been a ceasefire long ago. Netanyahu has set a criterion for victory (wiping out Hamas) that he knows cannot be met by his current means (attacking Gaza). He wants to be able to continue attacking Gaza with no end possible.

    And we're funding that with no strings attached.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're correct but this is the first time it's gone viral on tictoc. I'm not sure you're understanding how unelectable Biden is now among the young voters that he needed to turn out in record numbers. He will not win another election now that he's so poisoned.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You know, you're not going to get very far in any conversation when you just keep saying "he's unelectable now" over and over.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    you're in an echo chamber bro

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not at all. It's only the young people and Muslim voters who have turned on him, but that's enough.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    One young guy I work with votes the other 12 dudes I work with don't. Most young ladies I work with vote.

    The one dude votes Dem. Most ladies I know vote Dem. In my echo chamber of life at my job nobody young is voting for Trump and nobody has turned on Biden because they weren't with him in the first place they're just not voting for Trump.

    But that's my echo chamber of my work place. Tiktok is an echo chamber too.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Right, he needed to turn out those young voters who don't vote currently, and now that's not going to happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    By he you mean Biden right??

    Because he actually doesn't. He won last time idk if you know that or not? Trump needs the turnout more. Covid crushed his base, a lot of the Republican voters are old people and Christians which is only a falling demographic. Trump needs the youth more than Biden does. Most youth who are politically interested are so because of the Trump admin/roe v wade.

    The youth that is moved is not towards Trump. You do not understand I think.

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