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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. Argentina has had an issue with right wing, backwards ass idiots for a long time. They're getting what they wanted permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -70 points 2 years ago (6 children) Is funny to claim people are "backwards idiots" when it's literally the first time in history this political spectrum (anarcho-capitalist) has been elected. What's fresher than a first time ever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (1 child) They can call themselves whatever they want this decade, they're nothing new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -39 points 2 years ago* (2 children) In that case would you mind explaining what they are that has already been there and has only gotten a glow up? I bet historians and economists would love to be enlightened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are fascists. Those existed before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It appears that we have different definitions of fascism "A far right political ideology that is anti-democratic, ultra nationalist, and totalitarian" Which... yeah doesnt fit at all to his so far 7 days of government permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you really talking about the guy that denies Videla's regime crimes? A guy that is a friend of far-right leaders around the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) He hasnt done such thing? During Presidential Debates he literally brought them up... And someone having friends that think alike? What a crazy concept! Just like Peronism that reivindicated dictators around the world and has ties with Maduro's Venezuela and China, even selling part of the country to them Glad they didnt win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent [+] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] jonne@infosec.pub 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, if you think this guy is anything other than your run of the mill fascist, I've got a bridge to sell you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -23 points 2 years ago Ah yes, fascists. Not like those werent in power until 2 weeks ago and the opposing candidate to Milei wasnt using government power to investigate, accuse and imprison (if not kill) those who made campaign against him Not that has anything to do with Milei, but when you consider that... and the fact that Milei has done nothing but comply to his campaign promises you gotta wonder whos the real fascist... or even the definition permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fox@pawb.social 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) "The state is not going to pay for the use of the security forces; organizations that have legal status will have to pay or individuals will have to bear the cost" The state sending invoices to accused protesters is a about the least ancap thing I've ever seen. Such a fresh take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago German police as well as courts of account have actually been lobbying to make football clubs pay for the operations they cause for quite some while. Would be tied to events with a commercial orientation attracting crowds > 5000 people or something along those lines. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Considering that the security forces will only incur when protesters take away the fundamental right of transiting the streets... which is a crime, an Invoice instead of prison is rather light Now is it anarcho capitalist? Well people paying for their actions and its consequences being a law sounds rather anarcho-capitalist to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, you sure are making a good argument against anarcho-capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The principle of no-agression and respecting the other's freedom are literally the principles or Anarcho-capitalism This measures ensure that those are enforced, how is it against anarcho-capitalism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I never signed no no-aggression treaty and as ancaps don't consider social contracts valid I'd say I'm free to to whatever the fuck I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you on about? Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what's your point here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Names mean nothing, their actions are fascist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) In that case, could you please number the "Actions" they've done that deem them fascist? It's been 7 days of government, im sure you'll have no issue narrowing them down in such a timeframe. I would like details if you are able to provide, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks for the summary, unfortunately I must correct some inaccuracies on the provided bullet points Number 1: The threat of Jail is only for those protesters who incur on Blocking Public roads and or depriving other citizens of their right to freely transit, which has always been against the law, which makes them Criminals. The threat of Jail is only for criminals. And the claim of shooting protesters is from someone NOT in the government, in fact they are opposition so it's not attributable to the government in any way. Hope this helps to make a clearer vision of what they have/are actually doing, would you please be so kind to update the list so we can see how many fascist things they are doing with that clarified? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly, they should only protest out in the woods where nobody will be inconvenienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either. They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei's opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these "Piqueteros" the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) There's been a gazillion times people from that particular political spectrum, that is, neo-feudalists, have been in power. No actual anarchist ever has ever considered ancaps to be anything else than that, ancaps plain and simply aren't anarchist. You cannot be an anarchist while supporting systems of rule such as, to wit, capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Ancaps arent Anarchists" Yes... exactly. I see you understand why they are called different things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ancaps are called Ancaps by Anarchists for that reason, yes, not because "anarcho-" wouldn't otherwise be indicative of actual anarchism. Anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, the list is endless. Luckily we got spared Anarcho-withoutadjectivesism. Either they're trying to appropriate our good reputation, or they're just clueless idiots. Or both. Very likely both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or... neither? Words have meanings beyond the people that use them, if the meaning is appropiate for representing something, it shall be used. Is not like "Phobia" is on many "Phobias" just for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, words don't have meaning to Ancaps or they would never have chosen the "anarcho-" prefix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustZ@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bro half the country doesn't know how to read wtf are you talking about they aren't backwards idiots? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago Half the country doesn't know how to read Half the country voted for the Minister of Economy that ran the economy to the ground, used 2 Points of the Country's GDP for his Political campaign and was also Defacto President the past 2 Years (not democratically elected) using the Ideology that has governed Argentina for 20 Years now I think you just cracked the code who the "Backwards idiots" you so speak of might be permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -70 points 2 years ago (6 children) Is funny to claim people are "backwards idiots" when it's literally the first time in history this political spectrum (anarcho-capitalist) has been elected. What's fresher than a first time ever? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (1 child) They can call themselves whatever they want this decade, they're nothing new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -39 points 2 years ago* (2 children) In that case would you mind explaining what they are that has already been there and has only gotten a glow up? I bet historians and economists would love to be enlightened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are fascists. Those existed before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It appears that we have different definitions of fascism "A far right political ideology that is anti-democratic, ultra nationalist, and totalitarian" Which... yeah doesnt fit at all to his so far 7 days of government permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you really talking about the guy that denies Videla's regime crimes? A guy that is a friend of far-right leaders around the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) He hasnt done such thing? During Presidential Debates he literally brought them up... And someone having friends that think alike? What a crazy concept! Just like Peronism that reivindicated dictators around the world and has ties with Maduro's Venezuela and China, even selling part of the country to them Glad they didnt win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent [+] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] jonne@infosec.pub 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, if you think this guy is anything other than your run of the mill fascist, I've got a bridge to sell you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -23 points 2 years ago Ah yes, fascists. Not like those werent in power until 2 weeks ago and the opposing candidate to Milei wasnt using government power to investigate, accuse and imprison (if not kill) those who made campaign against him Not that has anything to do with Milei, but when you consider that... and the fact that Milei has done nothing but comply to his campaign promises you gotta wonder whos the real fascist... or even the definition permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fox@pawb.social 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) "The state is not going to pay for the use of the security forces; organizations that have legal status will have to pay or individuals will have to bear the cost" The state sending invoices to accused protesters is a about the least ancap thing I've ever seen. Such a fresh take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago German police as well as courts of account have actually been lobbying to make football clubs pay for the operations they cause for quite some while. Would be tied to events with a commercial orientation attracting crowds > 5000 people or something along those lines. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Considering that the security forces will only incur when protesters take away the fundamental right of transiting the streets... which is a crime, an Invoice instead of prison is rather light Now is it anarcho capitalist? Well people paying for their actions and its consequences being a law sounds rather anarcho-capitalist to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, you sure are making a good argument against anarcho-capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The principle of no-agression and respecting the other's freedom are literally the principles or Anarcho-capitalism This measures ensure that those are enforced, how is it against anarcho-capitalism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I never signed no no-aggression treaty and as ancaps don't consider social contracts valid I'd say I'm free to to whatever the fuck I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you on about? Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what's your point here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Names mean nothing, their actions are fascist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) In that case, could you please number the "Actions" they've done that deem them fascist? It's been 7 days of government, im sure you'll have no issue narrowing them down in such a timeframe. I would like details if you are able to provide, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks for the summary, unfortunately I must correct some inaccuracies on the provided bullet points Number 1: The threat of Jail is only for those protesters who incur on Blocking Public roads and or depriving other citizens of their right to freely transit, which has always been against the law, which makes them Criminals. The threat of Jail is only for criminals. And the claim of shooting protesters is from someone NOT in the government, in fact they are opposition so it's not attributable to the government in any way. Hope this helps to make a clearer vision of what they have/are actually doing, would you please be so kind to update the list so we can see how many fascist things they are doing with that clarified? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly, they should only protest out in the woods where nobody will be inconvenienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either. They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei's opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these "Piqueteros" the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) There's been a gazillion times people from that particular political spectrum, that is, neo-feudalists, have been in power. No actual anarchist ever has ever considered ancaps to be anything else than that, ancaps plain and simply aren't anarchist. You cannot be an anarchist while supporting systems of rule such as, to wit, capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Ancaps arent Anarchists" Yes... exactly. I see you understand why they are called different things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ancaps are called Ancaps by Anarchists for that reason, yes, not because "anarcho-" wouldn't otherwise be indicative of actual anarchism. Anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, the list is endless. Luckily we got spared Anarcho-withoutadjectivesism. Either they're trying to appropriate our good reputation, or they're just clueless idiots. Or both. Very likely both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or... neither? Words have meanings beyond the people that use them, if the meaning is appropiate for representing something, it shall be used. Is not like "Phobia" is on many "Phobias" just for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, words don't have meaning to Ancaps or they would never have chosen the "anarcho-" prefix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustZ@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bro half the country doesn't know how to read wtf are you talking about they aren't backwards idiots? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago Half the country doesn't know how to read Half the country voted for the Minister of Economy that ran the economy to the ground, used 2 Points of the Country's GDP for his Political campaign and was also Defacto President the past 2 Years (not democratically elected) using the Ideology that has governed Argentina for 20 Years now I think you just cracked the code who the "Backwards idiots" you so speak of might be permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (1 child) They can call themselves whatever they want this decade, they're nothing new. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -39 points 2 years ago* (2 children) In that case would you mind explaining what they are that has already been there and has only gotten a glow up? I bet historians and economists would love to be enlightened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are fascists. Those existed before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It appears that we have different definitions of fascism "A far right political ideology that is anti-democratic, ultra nationalist, and totalitarian" Which... yeah doesnt fit at all to his so far 7 days of government permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you really talking about the guy that denies Videla's regime crimes? A guy that is a friend of far-right leaders around the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) He hasnt done such thing? During Presidential Debates he literally brought them up... And someone having friends that think alike? What a crazy concept! Just like Peronism that reivindicated dictators around the world and has ties with Maduro's Venezuela and China, even selling part of the country to them Glad they didnt win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent [+] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -39 points 2 years ago* (2 children) In that case would you mind explaining what they are that has already been there and has only gotten a glow up? I bet historians and economists would love to be enlightened permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are fascists. Those existed before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It appears that we have different definitions of fascism "A far right political ideology that is anti-democratic, ultra nationalist, and totalitarian" Which... yeah doesnt fit at all to his so far 7 days of government permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you really talking about the guy that denies Videla's regime crimes? A guy that is a friend of far-right leaders around the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) He hasnt done such thing? During Presidential Debates he literally brought them up... And someone having friends that think alike? What a crazy concept! Just like Peronism that reivindicated dictators around the world and has ties with Maduro's Venezuela and China, even selling part of the country to them Glad they didnt win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent [+] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are fascists. Those existed before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It appears that we have different definitions of fascism "A far right political ideology that is anti-democratic, ultra nationalist, and totalitarian" Which... yeah doesnt fit at all to his so far 7 days of government permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you really talking about the guy that denies Videla's regime crimes? A guy that is a friend of far-right leaders around the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) He hasnt done such thing? During Presidential Debates he literally brought them up... And someone having friends that think alike? What a crazy concept! Just like Peronism that reivindicated dictators around the world and has ties with Maduro's Venezuela and China, even selling part of the country to them Glad they didnt win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It appears that we have different definitions of fascism "A far right political ideology that is anti-democratic, ultra nationalist, and totalitarian" Which... yeah doesnt fit at all to his so far 7 days of government permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you really talking about the guy that denies Videla's regime crimes? A guy that is a friend of far-right leaders around the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) He hasnt done such thing? During Presidential Debates he literally brought them up... And someone having friends that think alike? What a crazy concept! Just like Peronism that reivindicated dictators around the world and has ties with Maduro's Venezuela and China, even selling part of the country to them Glad they didnt win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you really talking about the guy that denies Videla's regime crimes? A guy that is a friend of far-right leaders around the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) He hasnt done such thing? During Presidential Debates he literally brought them up... And someone having friends that think alike? What a crazy concept! Just like Peronism that reivindicated dictators around the world and has ties with Maduro's Venezuela and China, even selling part of the country to them Glad they didnt win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) He hasnt done such thing? During Presidential Debates he literally brought them up... And someone having friends that think alike? What a crazy concept! Just like Peronism that reivindicated dictators around the world and has ties with Maduro's Venezuela and China, even selling part of the country to them Glad they didnt win. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You too" is not an excuse. And I don't even know what the actual fuck is peronism. Some things look like right wing, some look like left wing, some are cult of personality, some are near anarchist, ... Maybe because I haven't understood it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree, "you too" is not an excuse, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply. For clarification it's a matter of pick your poison because it doesn't matter the person nor the space they belong to, bad apples are gonna be there so wether you prefer those bad apples to come from china or united states is really the only choice you can make. And there is a saying in Argentina that if Peronism doesnt make sense to you, it means you understood it perfectly. The deal here is that it's been the power that's dominated the country since it's inception... and look how that's going permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then the problem comes from having to chose between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche and the solution would be to have someone that knows a little about ruling a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago I mean for what we were discussing, there really is no solution? And if you actually just radically changed topic... there's really not a problem? There's two pathways that if theoretically executed have pros and cons (if the candidates actually comply to their promises) and choosing is at best a conflict permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jonne@infosec.pub 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lol, if you think this guy is anything other than your run of the mill fascist, I've got a bridge to sell you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -23 points 2 years ago Ah yes, fascists. Not like those werent in power until 2 weeks ago and the opposing candidate to Milei wasnt using government power to investigate, accuse and imprison (if not kill) those who made campaign against him Not that has anything to do with Milei, but when you consider that... and the fact that Milei has done nothing but comply to his campaign promises you gotta wonder whos the real fascist... or even the definition permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -23 points 2 years ago Ah yes, fascists. Not like those werent in power until 2 weeks ago and the opposing candidate to Milei wasnt using government power to investigate, accuse and imprison (if not kill) those who made campaign against him Not that has anything to do with Milei, but when you consider that... and the fact that Milei has done nothing but comply to his campaign promises you gotta wonder whos the real fascist... or even the definition permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fox@pawb.social 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) "The state is not going to pay for the use of the security forces; organizations that have legal status will have to pay or individuals will have to bear the cost" The state sending invoices to accused protesters is a about the least ancap thing I've ever seen. Such a fresh take. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago German police as well as courts of account have actually been lobbying to make football clubs pay for the operations they cause for quite some while. Would be tied to events with a commercial orientation attracting crowds > 5000 people or something along those lines. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Considering that the security forces will only incur when protesters take away the fundamental right of transiting the streets... which is a crime, an Invoice instead of prison is rather light Now is it anarcho capitalist? Well people paying for their actions and its consequences being a law sounds rather anarcho-capitalist to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, you sure are making a good argument against anarcho-capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The principle of no-agression and respecting the other's freedom are literally the principles or Anarcho-capitalism This measures ensure that those are enforced, how is it against anarcho-capitalism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I never signed no no-aggression treaty and as ancaps don't consider social contracts valid I'd say I'm free to to whatever the fuck I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you on about? Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what's your point here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago German police as well as courts of account have actually been lobbying to make football clubs pay for the operations they cause for quite some while. Would be tied to events with a commercial orientation attracting crowds > 5000 people or something along those lines. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Considering that the security forces will only incur when protesters take away the fundamental right of transiting the streets... which is a crime, an Invoice instead of prison is rather light Now is it anarcho capitalist? Well people paying for their actions and its consequences being a law sounds rather anarcho-capitalist to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, you sure are making a good argument against anarcho-capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The principle of no-agression and respecting the other's freedom are literally the principles or Anarcho-capitalism This measures ensure that those are enforced, how is it against anarcho-capitalism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I never signed no no-aggression treaty and as ancaps don't consider social contracts valid I'd say I'm free to to whatever the fuck I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you on about? Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what's your point here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man, you sure are making a good argument against anarcho-capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The principle of no-agression and respecting the other's freedom are literally the principles or Anarcho-capitalism This measures ensure that those are enforced, how is it against anarcho-capitalism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I never signed no no-aggression treaty and as ancaps don't consider social contracts valid I'd say I'm free to to whatever the fuck I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you on about? Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what's your point here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The principle of no-agression and respecting the other's freedom are literally the principles or Anarcho-capitalism This measures ensure that those are enforced, how is it against anarcho-capitalism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I never signed no no-aggression treaty and as ancaps don't consider social contracts valid I'd say I'm free to to whatever the fuck I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you on about? Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what's your point here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I never signed no no-aggression treaty and as ancaps don't consider social contracts valid I'd say I'm free to to whatever the fuck I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you on about? Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what's your point here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you on about? Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what's your point here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it's funny. It's a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the "everyone is bound to non-aggression" and "there's no such thing as a social contract" thing. I don't even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know who's interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it's all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile. Rothbard's definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction Also, to what you said about "demonstrated" something, mind linking to what you have? There's nothing around here like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* voluntarily approached and So I must have the opportunity to live outside it. How does Ancap theory limit land ownership, and the defence of that land by force? If you don't then nothing about Ancappery is voluntary. free of violence or harm, Then there must not be capital accumulation: For resources are power and accumulation of power corrupts even the most virtuous mind. which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. So if you, or ancaps collectively, own all the land which prevents me from exercising my inalienable right to not be part of any of their fiefdoms then they are violating that contract, and will be rightly apprehended by their goons. I think the social contract thing came into the general anarchist vs. ancap discussion because social contract theory leads to a lot of things Ancaps don't want, such as universal welfare, so people at least on the internet started dismissing it entirely. But it just so happens that you made your own contradiction so I didn't need to recourse to that, you built a contradiction into your description of ancap fundamentals: Congratulations, you back a political suicide cult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Names mean nothing, their actions are fascist permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) In that case, could you please number the "Actions" they've done that deem them fascist? It's been 7 days of government, im sure you'll have no issue narrowing them down in such a timeframe. I would like details if you are able to provide, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks for the summary, unfortunately I must correct some inaccuracies on the provided bullet points Number 1: The threat of Jail is only for those protesters who incur on Blocking Public roads and or depriving other citizens of their right to freely transit, which has always been against the law, which makes them Criminals. The threat of Jail is only for criminals. And the claim of shooting protesters is from someone NOT in the government, in fact they are opposition so it's not attributable to the government in any way. Hope this helps to make a clearer vision of what they have/are actually doing, would you please be so kind to update the list so we can see how many fascist things they are doing with that clarified? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly, they should only protest out in the woods where nobody will be inconvenienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either. They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei's opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these "Piqueteros" the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) In that case, could you please number the "Actions" they've done that deem them fascist? It's been 7 days of government, im sure you'll have no issue narrowing them down in such a timeframe. I would like details if you are able to provide, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks for the summary, unfortunately I must correct some inaccuracies on the provided bullet points Number 1: The threat of Jail is only for those protesters who incur on Blocking Public roads and or depriving other citizens of their right to freely transit, which has always been against the law, which makes them Criminals. The threat of Jail is only for criminals. And the claim of shooting protesters is from someone NOT in the government, in fact they are opposition so it's not attributable to the government in any way. Hope this helps to make a clearer vision of what they have/are actually doing, would you please be so kind to update the list so we can see how many fascist things they are doing with that clarified? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly, they should only protest out in the woods where nobody will be inconvenienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either. They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei's opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these "Piqueteros" the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks for the summary, unfortunately I must correct some inaccuracies on the provided bullet points Number 1: The threat of Jail is only for those protesters who incur on Blocking Public roads and or depriving other citizens of their right to freely transit, which has always been against the law, which makes them Criminals. The threat of Jail is only for criminals. And the claim of shooting protesters is from someone NOT in the government, in fact they are opposition so it's not attributable to the government in any way. Hope this helps to make a clearer vision of what they have/are actually doing, would you please be so kind to update the list so we can see how many fascist things they are doing with that clarified? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly, they should only protest out in the woods where nobody will be inconvenienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either. They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei's opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these "Piqueteros" the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks for the summary, unfortunately I must correct some inaccuracies on the provided bullet points Number 1: The threat of Jail is only for those protesters who incur on Blocking Public roads and or depriving other citizens of their right to freely transit, which has always been against the law, which makes them Criminals. The threat of Jail is only for criminals. And the claim of shooting protesters is from someone NOT in the government, in fact they are opposition so it's not attributable to the government in any way. Hope this helps to make a clearer vision of what they have/are actually doing, would you please be so kind to update the list so we can see how many fascist things they are doing with that clarified? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly, they should only protest out in the woods where nobody will be inconvenienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either. They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei's opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these "Piqueteros" the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly, they should only protest out in the woods where nobody will be inconvenienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Coki91@dormi.zone -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either. They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei's opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these "Piqueteros" the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Coki91@dormi.zone -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either. They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei's opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these "Piqueteros" the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone -5 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Are you... advocating violence?... I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other's right is possible and has been done not even too far back. And also, these "Piquetes" aren't peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it's a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that's why they should be repressed. Those who don't incur on the people's freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn't be of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Removed under rule 6: "Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was John F Kennedy advocating for violence when he said it in 1962? Or do people have a right to violent rebellion when they are opressed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply I'll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else's rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these "Social" Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm sorry if my very clear comments have confused you. Try reading through the chain again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It's not clear how it interjects with the topic at all If you're not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Keep trying, you'll get it eventually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 point 2 years ago Sure, have a good day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) There's been a gazillion times people from that particular political spectrum, that is, neo-feudalists, have been in power. No actual anarchist ever has ever considered ancaps to be anything else than that, ancaps plain and simply aren't anarchist. You cannot be an anarchist while supporting systems of rule such as, to wit, capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Ancaps arent Anarchists" Yes... exactly. I see you understand why they are called different things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ancaps are called Ancaps by Anarchists for that reason, yes, not because "anarcho-" wouldn't otherwise be indicative of actual anarchism. Anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, the list is endless. Luckily we got spared Anarcho-withoutadjectivesism. Either they're trying to appropriate our good reputation, or they're just clueless idiots. Or both. Very likely both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or... neither? Words have meanings beyond the people that use them, if the meaning is appropiate for representing something, it shall be used. Is not like "Phobia" is on many "Phobias" just for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, words don't have meaning to Ancaps or they would never have chosen the "anarcho-" prefix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Ancaps arent Anarchists" Yes... exactly. I see you understand why they are called different things permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ancaps are called Ancaps by Anarchists for that reason, yes, not because "anarcho-" wouldn't otherwise be indicative of actual anarchism. Anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, the list is endless. Luckily we got spared Anarcho-withoutadjectivesism. Either they're trying to appropriate our good reputation, or they're just clueless idiots. Or both. Very likely both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or... neither? Words have meanings beyond the people that use them, if the meaning is appropiate for representing something, it shall be used. Is not like "Phobia" is on many "Phobias" just for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, words don't have meaning to Ancaps or they would never have chosen the "anarcho-" prefix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ancaps are called Ancaps by Anarchists for that reason, yes, not because "anarcho-" wouldn't otherwise be indicative of actual anarchism. Anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, the list is endless. Luckily we got spared Anarcho-withoutadjectivesism. Either they're trying to appropriate our good reputation, or they're just clueless idiots. Or both. Very likely both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or... neither? Words have meanings beyond the people that use them, if the meaning is appropiate for representing something, it shall be used. Is not like "Phobia" is on many "Phobias" just for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, words don't have meaning to Ancaps or they would never have chosen the "anarcho-" prefix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or... neither? Words have meanings beyond the people that use them, if the meaning is appropiate for representing something, it shall be used. Is not like "Phobia" is on many "Phobias" just for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, words don't have meaning to Ancaps or they would never have chosen the "anarcho-" prefix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, words don't have meaning to Ancaps or they would never have chosen the "anarcho-" prefix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the "grace" of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bro half the country doesn't know how to read wtf are you talking about they aren't backwards idiots? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago Half the country doesn't know how to read Half the country voted for the Minister of Economy that ran the economy to the ground, used 2 Points of the Country's GDP for his Political campaign and was also Defacto President the past 2 Years (not democratically elected) using the Ideology that has governed Argentina for 20 Years now I think you just cracked the code who the "Backwards idiots" you so speak of might be permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coki91@dormi.zone -1 points 2 years ago Half the country doesn't know how to read Half the country voted for the Minister of Economy that ran the economy to the ground, used 2 Points of the Country's GDP for his Political campaign and was also Defacto President the past 2 Years (not democratically elected) using the Ideology that has governed Argentina for 20 Years now I think you just cracked the code who the "Backwards idiots" you so speak of might be permalink fedilink source parent