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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Great news. They should honestly just skip stopping at Hilversum and Deventer, too. From Hilversum there are enough other trains to Amersfoort and Amsterdam. And from Deventer it is easy enough to go to Apeldoorn or Hengelo. And they are getting trains that can go 230 km/h, so Amsterdam to Berlin in five hours could be feasible. And after that a properly fast Amsterdam - Hanover - Berlin high speed rail in 3 hours... That would be amazing. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Deventer stop is not there primarily for locals in Deventer. It's there to service the entire eastern half of the Netherlands. Scrapping it would mean those in e.g. Groningen would first have to travel for 3h to Amsterdam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fair enough, I looked it up and you are right. Deventer is the eastern hub (I thought it was Apeldoorn), so keeping Deventer and scrapping Apeldoorn and Hengelo would be more logical. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago The regular service between Amsterdam and Berlin already has some trains not stopping in Apeldoorn. The European Sleeper between Brussels and Berlin (via Amsterdam) does not stop in Apeldoorn nor Hengelo already. permalink fedilink source parent [–] coin@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Scrapping Hengelo would be a pretty bad idea too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hh93@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) As someone living in Magdeburg I always envy Hannover for how well connected that city is not just east to west but also north to south Feels like 90% of the good connections go though that main station while my city doesn't even get ICEs as a state capital... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EinfachUnersetzlich@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Magdeburg has less than half the population of Hanover though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know - but small villages in Bavaria have a better train access because the local Bavarian party controlled the traffic ministry for decades Also Hannover gets all the east-west connections and a city like Erfurt gets none even though they are on a similar trajectory south of the harz permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Erfurt gets none What? Erfurt has direct ICE connections to Leipzig/Berlin, Dresden, Frankfurt, and Nürnberg/München. It’s pretty well connected for a city of just 200k. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Intercity-Express-Linien permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Ah so it's just really shitty to reach from Hannover/Braunschweig/Wolfsburg/Magdeburg - also it seems that there is no good connection to the whole Ruhr area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Well, it’s located in a basin and has lots of mountainous areas north, south, and west, so it’s kind of expensive building rails through there. It’s annoying as fuck to get there by car as well. I used to drive that a lot, Cologne – Erfurt, sucks big time. I guess you could get a route via Kassel and Hamm. I mean, I’m all for it, but I don’t think that’s economically feasible for DB. Improving the route Hannover – Leipzig would make sense, especially if they could finally upgrade the route Dresden – Prague (one of the most important cargo routes). Hannover is just lucky. It sits on a giant plain right in the middle of the two axes Hamburg – „the South“, and Berlin – Rhein-Ruhr. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Deventer stop is not there primarily for locals in Deventer. It's there to service the entire eastern half of the Netherlands. Scrapping it would mean those in e.g. Groningen would first have to travel for 3h to Amsterdam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fair enough, I looked it up and you are right. Deventer is the eastern hub (I thought it was Apeldoorn), so keeping Deventer and scrapping Apeldoorn and Hengelo would be more logical. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago The regular service between Amsterdam and Berlin already has some trains not stopping in Apeldoorn. The European Sleeper between Brussels and Berlin (via Amsterdam) does not stop in Apeldoorn nor Hengelo already. permalink fedilink source parent [–] coin@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Scrapping Hengelo would be a pretty bad idea too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fair enough, I looked it up and you are right. Deventer is the eastern hub (I thought it was Apeldoorn), so keeping Deventer and scrapping Apeldoorn and Hengelo would be more logical. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago The regular service between Amsterdam and Berlin already has some trains not stopping in Apeldoorn. The European Sleeper between Brussels and Berlin (via Amsterdam) does not stop in Apeldoorn nor Hengelo already. permalink fedilink source parent [–] coin@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Scrapping Hengelo would be a pretty bad idea too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago The regular service between Amsterdam and Berlin already has some trains not stopping in Apeldoorn. The European Sleeper between Brussels and Berlin (via Amsterdam) does not stop in Apeldoorn nor Hengelo already. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] coin@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago Scrapping Hengelo would be a pretty bad idea too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hh93@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) As someone living in Magdeburg I always envy Hannover for how well connected that city is not just east to west but also north to south Feels like 90% of the good connections go though that main station while my city doesn't even get ICEs as a state capital... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EinfachUnersetzlich@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Magdeburg has less than half the population of Hanover though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know - but small villages in Bavaria have a better train access because the local Bavarian party controlled the traffic ministry for decades Also Hannover gets all the east-west connections and a city like Erfurt gets none even though they are on a similar trajectory south of the harz permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Erfurt gets none What? Erfurt has direct ICE connections to Leipzig/Berlin, Dresden, Frankfurt, and Nürnberg/München. It’s pretty well connected for a city of just 200k. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Intercity-Express-Linien permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Ah so it's just really shitty to reach from Hannover/Braunschweig/Wolfsburg/Magdeburg - also it seems that there is no good connection to the whole Ruhr area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Well, it’s located in a basin and has lots of mountainous areas north, south, and west, so it’s kind of expensive building rails through there. It’s annoying as fuck to get there by car as well. I used to drive that a lot, Cologne – Erfurt, sucks big time. I guess you could get a route via Kassel and Hamm. I mean, I’m all for it, but I don’t think that’s economically feasible for DB. Improving the route Hannover – Leipzig would make sense, especially if they could finally upgrade the route Dresden – Prague (one of the most important cargo routes). Hannover is just lucky. It sits on a giant plain right in the middle of the two axes Hamburg – „the South“, and Berlin – Rhein-Ruhr. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EinfachUnersetzlich@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Magdeburg has less than half the population of Hanover though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know - but small villages in Bavaria have a better train access because the local Bavarian party controlled the traffic ministry for decades Also Hannover gets all the east-west connections and a city like Erfurt gets none even though they are on a similar trajectory south of the harz permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Erfurt gets none What? Erfurt has direct ICE connections to Leipzig/Berlin, Dresden, Frankfurt, and Nürnberg/München. It’s pretty well connected for a city of just 200k. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Intercity-Express-Linien permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Ah so it's just really shitty to reach from Hannover/Braunschweig/Wolfsburg/Magdeburg - also it seems that there is no good connection to the whole Ruhr area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Well, it’s located in a basin and has lots of mountainous areas north, south, and west, so it’s kind of expensive building rails through there. It’s annoying as fuck to get there by car as well. I used to drive that a lot, Cologne – Erfurt, sucks big time. I guess you could get a route via Kassel and Hamm. I mean, I’m all for it, but I don’t think that’s economically feasible for DB. Improving the route Hannover – Leipzig would make sense, especially if they could finally upgrade the route Dresden – Prague (one of the most important cargo routes). Hannover is just lucky. It sits on a giant plain right in the middle of the two axes Hamburg – „the South“, and Berlin – Rhein-Ruhr. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hh93@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know - but small villages in Bavaria have a better train access because the local Bavarian party controlled the traffic ministry for decades Also Hannover gets all the east-west connections and a city like Erfurt gets none even though they are on a similar trajectory south of the harz permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Erfurt gets none What? Erfurt has direct ICE connections to Leipzig/Berlin, Dresden, Frankfurt, and Nürnberg/München. It’s pretty well connected for a city of just 200k. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Intercity-Express-Linien permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Ah so it's just really shitty to reach from Hannover/Braunschweig/Wolfsburg/Magdeburg - also it seems that there is no good connection to the whole Ruhr area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Well, it’s located in a basin and has lots of mountainous areas north, south, and west, so it’s kind of expensive building rails through there. It’s annoying as fuck to get there by car as well. I used to drive that a lot, Cologne – Erfurt, sucks big time. I guess you could get a route via Kassel and Hamm. I mean, I’m all for it, but I don’t think that’s economically feasible for DB. Improving the route Hannover – Leipzig would make sense, especially if they could finally upgrade the route Dresden – Prague (one of the most important cargo routes). Hannover is just lucky. It sits on a giant plain right in the middle of the two axes Hamburg – „the South“, and Berlin – Rhein-Ruhr. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Erfurt gets none What? Erfurt has direct ICE connections to Leipzig/Berlin, Dresden, Frankfurt, and Nürnberg/München. It’s pretty well connected for a city of just 200k. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Intercity-Express-Linien permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Ah so it's just really shitty to reach from Hannover/Braunschweig/Wolfsburg/Magdeburg - also it seems that there is no good connection to the whole Ruhr area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Well, it’s located in a basin and has lots of mountainous areas north, south, and west, so it’s kind of expensive building rails through there. It’s annoying as fuck to get there by car as well. I used to drive that a lot, Cologne – Erfurt, sucks big time. I guess you could get a route via Kassel and Hamm. I mean, I’m all for it, but I don’t think that’s economically feasible for DB. Improving the route Hannover – Leipzig would make sense, especially if they could finally upgrade the route Dresden – Prague (one of the most important cargo routes). Hannover is just lucky. It sits on a giant plain right in the middle of the two axes Hamburg – „the South“, and Berlin – Rhein-Ruhr. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hh93@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Ah so it's just really shitty to reach from Hannover/Braunschweig/Wolfsburg/Magdeburg - also it seems that there is no good connection to the whole Ruhr area permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Well, it’s located in a basin and has lots of mountainous areas north, south, and west, so it’s kind of expensive building rails through there. It’s annoying as fuck to get there by car as well. I used to drive that a lot, Cologne – Erfurt, sucks big time. I guess you could get a route via Kassel and Hamm. I mean, I’m all for it, but I don’t think that’s economically feasible for DB. Improving the route Hannover – Leipzig would make sense, especially if they could finally upgrade the route Dresden – Prague (one of the most important cargo routes). Hannover is just lucky. It sits on a giant plain right in the middle of the two axes Hamburg – „the South“, and Berlin – Rhein-Ruhr. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Well, it’s located in a basin and has lots of mountainous areas north, south, and west, so it’s kind of expensive building rails through there. It’s annoying as fuck to get there by car as well. I used to drive that a lot, Cologne – Erfurt, sucks big time. I guess you could get a route via Kassel and Hamm. I mean, I’m all for it, but I don’t think that’s economically feasible for DB. Improving the route Hannover – Leipzig would make sense, especially if they could finally upgrade the route Dresden – Prague (one of the most important cargo routes). Hannover is just lucky. It sits on a giant plain right in the middle of the two axes Hamburg – „the South“, and Berlin – Rhein-Ruhr. permalink fedilink source parent